Chocobo dyeing R&D Thread - Post your results here!

[Zenaku]

Soot Black!



Last color I was at was Bark Brown.

I worked out on paper what fruits I had to give using +/- 5 points per fruit, and counting only the feeds that give the new feather message.

From Bark Brown it was 9 Berries, 8 Pears, 6 Apples, 1 Plum.

I have Chocolate Brown what do you think i should use to get to black?

[Leonesaurus]

Soot Black!



Last color I was at was Bark Brown.

I worked out on paper what fruits I had to give using +/- 5 points per fruit, and counting only the feeds that give the new feather message.

From Bark Brown it was 9 Berries, 8 Pears, 6 Apples, 1 Plum.

Ok, I haven't tested this yet, so I want to hold my "thanks" until after I prove this theory of sorts. But I think I'm finally catching on to this, and it's all due to this post here and how wonderfully he worded it.

So, this is what I've come to as a hypothesis and hopeful conclusion. I keep seeing people find ways to get to Soot Black, and not just by the same necessary method either. However, due to the +5/-5 theory it ALL makes perfect sense now. That was the missing piece to the puzzle I needed to fully understand this. Apologies to anyone that pointed this out already pages back, but this post made me finally catch onto it due to the Soot Black being shown. I could be entirely wrong here, but please, hear me out for a second.

Here are some things you need to know first: 1) the RGB values of whatever color you're at, and 2) Soot Black's RGB color.

If you're really friggin close to Soot Black, like I've been, you've probably have been going crazy trying to solve this puzzle. I challenge you now to take Deepwood Green / Kobold Brown and apply the +5/-5 theory to the test.

Here are my results, and I have to say, either I'm clueless or someone else screwed up on their reports. I was under the impression that feeding one Doman Plum to a Kobold Brown chocobo would finally net me my Soot Black. If you check my post from a few pages back, you'll see that I did not. I instead got Ink Blue. But why did that happen? Well, I have a theory that adding 2 Doman Plums, by referring to the +5/-5 point per fruit theory, would net your RGB values ALL in the 30's. Guess what's ALL in the 30's? I can tell you it's NOT Ink Blue. It's actually Soot Black's value. So, what does that mean? It means feeding 2 Doman Plums that BOTH give you a "beginning to grow new feathers" message should more accurately put you at Soot Black. Again, this math adds up based on what Noctis Umbra gave. It makes much more sense than what I've been reading lately, and I fail to see any other way of it working. Even for the sake of argument, if you want to argue that the RNG comes into place with how many points you get per "beginning to grow new feathers" messages, it still gives us a much better outline to follow when trying to figure out what the hell we should be giving our birds for every 6 hour attempt we get.

Here are the results I got by just using simple math, and the +5/-5 technique:

Soot Black RGB Value -> 37 (R) / 35 (G) / 30 (B)
Kobold Brown -> 42 (R) / 28 (G) / 23 (B)

We want to use Doman Plums for this to work and I'll show the procedure down below: (Doman Plums remove Red and ADD Green + Blue aka "lighten" Red hues)

42-5= 37
28+5= 33
23+5=28

So, 2/3 are in the 30's with Soot Black, but Green is still in the 20's. Round all you want, it's not a guaranteed Soot Black. I already proved earlier it's not 100% from my personal tests with just a single Plum.

Let's try one more Plum...

37 - 5 = 32
33 + 5 = 38
28 + 5 = 33

And now you have all 3 colors in the 30's matching up the CLOSEST to Soot Black than any other color. Unless you can show you another color that is in the 30's with Soot Black, nothing will stop you from getting it now. Let's just say, giving the benefit of the doubt, that 1 Doman Plum could still get you Soot Black based on some RNG chance, I hypothesize that getting all 3 colors in the 30's (as closest as possible) is your best chance at getting Soot Black, over one Plum that knocks you back to another color, like it did to me with Ink Blue and several other players multiple times.

Again, I just want to make clear, I HAVE NOT personally reached Soot Black yet, but lets just go over one last of the reported Soot Black finds.


Soot Black RGB Value -> 37 (R) / 35 (G) / 30 (B)
Deepwood Green -> 25 (R) / 36 (G) / 28 (B)

For this, the 1 Valfruit strategy will be explained by again using the +5/-5 strategy that Noctis Umbra brought to our attention: (Valfruits remove Green and ADD Red + Blue aka "lighten" Green hues)

25 + 5 = 30
36 - 5 = 31
28 + 5 = 33

And would you look at that, the accurate reports of 1 Valfruit + Deepwood Green = Soot Black

ALL RGB values are in the 30's making the game take the closest numbers and giving Soot Black in return as a result to it being the closest choice.

That's the end of my understanding. I have NOT proven this other than the handful of Soot Black owner's that I have read, studied and taken notes from. Please prove me wrong and explain otherwise, because this mathematical approach makes more sense to me than anything else I've tried thus far.

So, am I off by a mile with my understanding or am I right on the money? Help me out here.

[Neoxn]

Soot Black Theory Snippet

I fed my Kobold Brown chocobo one message's worth of plums and also ended up back with Ink Blue. I'll try your theory by feeding my chocobo one more message's worth of plums and report tomorrow. Hopefully you're right, because this is really frustrating.

[Leonesaurus]

I fed my Kobold Brown chocobo one message's worth of plums and also ended up back with Ink Blue. I'll try your theory by feeding my chocobo one more message's worth of plums and report tomorrow. Hopefully you're right, because this is really frustrating.

Yeah, believe me, I know exactly how you feel. If I posted my data log in total, you'd probably want to jump out a window due to how many times I've had the chance to hit Soot Black. Since I typed my theory out last, I came up with another equation. I'm testing it and taking another 6 hour+ risk with it, so hopefully I don't screw this up. In any case, if I'm right about my Kobold Brown theory, then I'll have you to thank specifically for proving if it actually works or not. Apologies in advance if I'm wrong. I just don't know what else to do.

Anyway, the new equation I came up with is for me whom is currently sitting at Ink Blue as I type this. My new equation involves skipping Kobold Brown altogether with. This is my best solution for making the jump via the +5/-5 equation that Noctis Umbra brought to my attention. I still don't know if this is legit or not, but if he got a Soot Black, it's either he was extremely lucky, or he knows what he's talking about.

Here's the fruits I came up with for making the jump from Ink Blue --> Soot Black (theory equation) (Only "beginning to grow new feathers" fruits count for this to work)

x2 Cieldalaes Pineapple
x1 Valfruit
x1 Doman Plum

Why did I choose these fruit? I'll explain. As you know from my previous posts, as well as other fellow players in this thread, we've found a loop of Kobold Brown -> Ink Blue -> Kobold Brown -> Ink Blue -> (sometimes) Midnight Blue -> Ink Blue -> Kobold Brown -> ???

Well, the Pineapple is your ticket from Ink Blue --> Kobold Brown. Tested this twice. Others can back me up on this.
Secondly, the Plum people keep telling me takes you from Kobold Brown --> Soot Black, are either extremely lucky, smart, or they're not telling me (us) the full story. I tested this and I went straight back to Ink Blue.

In my equation, putting in the both of these negates one another so you don't get one or the other as a result. Instead, my theory equation should "hopefully" instead re-direct you across to Soot Black by using x1 Valfruit. The reason I use x2 Pineapples and not x1 is because according to Noctis Umbra's equation of using +5/-5, the second Pineapple helps raise Red and Green back into the 30's, and nestles Blue down to the mid 30's as well. I have yet to see anyone claim they got Soot Black from Ink Blue, but I think if someone can get Bark Brown --> Soot Black, then anything has to be in the realm of possibility. If I'm wrong, then at least Neox can test my other theory that I wanted to try out initially. If all else fails... It's back to getting to Deepwood Green from where I am now, or will be eventually, and testing out the Valfruit strategy.

Here's what my mathematical equation looks like though for anyone that wants a visual learning experience from this to understand where I'm coming from for my idea. I don't know for sure if this will actually work.

Ink Blue: 22 (R) / 26 (G) / 34 (B)
Soot Black: 37 (R) / 35 (G) / 30 (B)

22 + 5 = 27
26 + 5 = 31
34 - 5 = 29

NEXT STEP

27 - 5 = 22
31 + 5 = 36
29 + 5 = 34

NEXT STEP

22 + 5 = 27
36 - 5 = 31
34 + 5 = 39

LAST STEP

27 + 5 = "32"
31 + 5 = "36"
39 - 5 = "34"

Your Score: 32 (R) / 36 (G) / 34 (B)
Soot Black: 37 (R) / 35 (G) / 30 (B)

And there you have it. That should get you in the 30's IF the +5/-5 technique actually works, acccording to Noctis Umbra. I've not received results for this but I'm attempting this currently to see if this is correct. Apologies in advance if this is yet another waste of time!

[blueruckus]

And there you have it. That should get you in the 30's IF the +5/-5 technique actually works, acccording to Noctis Umbra. I've not received results for this but I'm attempting this currently to see if this is correct. Apologies in advance if this is yet another waste of time!

Please report back here as soon as you find out. I've been in the Ink,Kobold,Deepwood loop trying to get black and currently at Ink. Someone had suggested doing 2x Pineapple and 1x Valfruit, which is what I just did 5 mins ago. It sounds like your 6 hour session will end about 15 minutes before mine so if yours works, I'm gonna try that extra Plum on the end.

[AlbionApollon]

Ink Blue: 22 (R) / 26 (G) / 34 (B)
Soot Black: 37 (R) / 35 (G) / 30 (B)

22 + 5 = 27
26 + 5 = 31
34 - 5 = 29

NEXT STEP

27 - 5 = 22
31 + 5 = 36
29 + 5 = 34

NEXT STEP

22 + 5 = 27
36 - 5 = 31
34 + 5 = 39

LAST STEP

27 + 5 = "32"
31 + 5 = "36"
39 - 5 = "34"

Your Score: 32 (R) / 36 (G) / 34 (B)
Soot Black: 37 (R) / 35 (G) / 30 (B)

And there you have it. That should get you in the 30's IF the +5/-5 technique actually works, acccording to Noctis Umbra. I've not received results for this but I'm attempting this currently to see if this is correct. Apologies in advance if this is yet another waste of time!

Confirmation on this?

[Neoxn]

Yeah, believe me, I know exactly how you feel. If I posted my data log in total, you'd probably want to jump out a window due to how many times I've had the chance to hit Soot Black. Since I typed my theory out last, I came up with another equation. I'm testing it and taking another 6 hour+ risk with it, so hopefully I don't screw this up. In any case, if I'm right about my Kobold Brown theory, then I'll have you to thank specifically for proving if it actually works or not. Apologies in advance if I'm wrong. I just don't know what else to do.

Unfortunately, my chocobo became deepwood green. I'm just going to feed it one valfruit at this point and hope for the best.

[SaikaT]

Soot Black!



Last color I was at was Bark Brown.

I worked out on paper what fruits I had to give using +/- 5 points per fruit, and counting only the feeds that give the new feather message.

From Bark Brown it was 9 Berries, 8 Pears, 6 Apples, 1 Plum.

i did the same from bark brown, however i ended up at rolanberry red.

[skaterger]

Hello all! First all I would like to thank everyone who contributed to this thread. Unfortunately as its 150 pages long, I could only skim through them so apologies in advance if some of the questions I'm asking have been posted before. I also realize that there are many questions in this thread but I would appreciate if some kind soul would take the time to answer my questions before I throw away huge amount of gil.

1) From what I read, the only time a change in color is confirmed is when the "beginning to grow new feathers" message has appeared. Is that right? If so, here's a hypothetical situation. If person A feeds a berry and gets the message the first try, person B feeds 3 berries and gets the message and person C feeds 10 berries before getting the message, does that mean all 3 chocobos will have the same color? Or does person C who fed his chocobo 10 berries get a darker shade of blue than person A who only fed his chocobo 1 berry?

2) This kinda pertains to the previous question. If a person gets only 1 feather message after 10 feeds, does that mean that all prior feedings the effects of the fruit are not gained, and only on the 10th fruit or is it that you only need 1 successful feeding to see the effects of all prior feedings?

2)

So to start, you're going to want to drastically lower those GREENs and REDs using BLUE DEEPEN'ers (O'Ghomoro Berry). This will have the adverse effect of raising your BLUEs, however getting all three colors around the same value will make the voyage to Soot Black a little easier. If you add in a few apples and pears into the mix, it should slow down your BLUEs from getting too high in the process.

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Do I feed all of them at once? Or do I stop when I see the first "feather" message? Is there any difference if I get 1,3, 5 or 10 feather messages?

Thank you all for your help in advance.

[Ravenguard]

Do I feed all of them at once? Or do I stop when I see the first "feather" message? Is there any difference if I get 1,3, 5 or 10 feather messages?

Thank you all for your help in advance.

You feed them all at once, and continue to feed the amount even if you trigger the "growing new feathers" message.

What is happening behind the scenes is you are shifting your Chocobo's hidden RGB values around (even if you don't see the indication of new feathers). Each dye appears to have a range for each color (I.e. 25-35Red, 100-120Green, 150-160Blue for color "X") and if all three numbers are inside these values you will active that plumage color on your next change. When you see "growing new feathers" message, you have effectively pushed yourself from your current color range into a new one.

*Example*
Color "X" Range = 25-35Red, 100-120Green, 150-160Blue
Color "Y" Range = 25-35Red, 100-120Green, 160-170Blue