Chocobo dyeing R&D Thread - Post your results here!

[Boomerz]

Hello all, I created a google doc awhile back very similar to the one floating around now in predicting the chocobo colors.

It is very very basic and not fancy but I believe can be utilized to predict chocobo colors with some accuracy. When you click the document, enter the R,G, and B of your current chocobo color and how many fruit you plan on feeding your chocobo. The link is:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=1841660782

The form works by calculating distances between points in 3 dimensional space with minimums and maximums set at 0 and 255, respectively. I treat RED, GREEN, and BLUE as x, y, and z coordinates. As we feed our chocobo different fruits, our position moves around in the space. Every dye that the chocobo can be dyed has a set point in the 3d space, set by the red, green, and blue combination of each dye. As we move, the spreadsheet calculates the distance to the CLOSEST dye.


As we know, feeding each fruit to the chocobo increases/decreases the R, G, and B of your current chocobo color. For this spreadsheet, I use an increase/decrease value of 4. Yes, I know, we don't know the exact science of how a fruit being fed to a chocobo effects the R, G, B, but until we know exactly how SE calculates the effect of each fruit during feeding, this is my estimate.
DISCLAIMERS:

I am basing my calculations on just some assumptions I've read mostly on this forum thread.

The spreadsheet does NOT work well with large numbers of fruit. It does however work well in calculating how, for example, 7 apples will affect your chocobo. Feel free to mess around with the fruit numbers with other peoples experiences to determine its accuracy (or inaccuracy) I use it for when my chocobo says he is growing feathers. I'll enter my current color in up top and then the fruit I entered to help me guess what the result will be. Vice versa, it can be used to estimate if feeding 10 fruit to your chocobo will give you the result you're hoping for.

There is a lot of ironing out to do with the spreadsheet. However, when used in correlation with other spreadsheets created by the members of this forum, it can be useful.

However, there are several accounts from people that I cannot duplicate. Some questions I'm really trying the answer to are:


How does each fruit affect the R,G, and B of the chocobo?

I'm currently under the impression that the fruits have the following effects:
Xelphatol Apple: R(+) | G(-) | B(-)
Doman Plum: R(-) | G(+) | B(+)
Mamook Pear: R(-) | G(+) | B(-)
Valfruit: R(+) | G(-) | B(+)
O'Ghomoro Berry: R(-) | G(-) | B(+)
Cieldales Pineapple:R(+) | G(+) | B(-)

I'm not 100% confident on these effects. Furthermore, I think we can agree that when you feed your chocobo, the effect from a single fruit has some RNG involved. For example, I believe when you feed your chocobo an apple, the result is something like R(+4), G(-2), B(-5). This RNG must be in place because of all the account of people getting such variable results from feeding just berries to their chocobo from Desert Yellow. However, this brings me to my next question.

Based on the current R,G,B value, how does SE determine what dye your chocobo should be?

I believed I had some good hypothesis, but there is one result I just simply cannot duplicate. There are multiple account of people feeding an enormous amount of apples to their chocobo and the result is always Blood Red. Using the effects on R,B,G from the fruits above, a large supply of apples will always have the same result, that is (255/0/0).

I cannot mathematically determine how this R,B,G (255/0/0) combination chooses the dye Blood Red. I've tried calculating minimum distances to the points in a 3D cartisian system. I've tried summing the absolute value of the differences between the R,B,G values of every dye. No matter what I try, I cannot get Blood Red to be the foremost dye that should be chosen for an ungodly amount of apples.

The last question I'm trying to find the answer for, just out of curiousity is...

Does stable condition affect the potency of the fruits fed to the chocobo?

For example, does a poor condition stable cause fruits to have less effect on your chocobo, and vice versa with good conditions?

Either way, there must be some mathematical way to determine how fruit will change our chocobo colors ... right?

[Aura_Shurifon]

...Lot's of interesting stuff....
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=1841660782
...Lot's of interesting stuff....

I have come to the same result as you on this bloody blood red ! This doesn't make sense. I tryed using percentage instead of strict value (even if there's a bit of rng) to no avail.

My final guess is each fruit (or just one type, deepen or lighten) does not just add or substract color, but "converge" to a color, in the case of red, it would be something like blood red. Meaning if you over feed your bird with apple, you won't be at 255,0,0 but something like 150,50,50 (or directly blood red...)

This is the only logic possibility i can imagine. If not, i'm out of idea >__<

[Boomerz]

I have come to the same result as you on this bloody blood red ! This doesn't make sense. I tryed using percentage instead of strict value (even if there's a bit of rng) to no avail.

My final guess is each fruit (or just one type, deepen or lighten) does not just add or substract color, but "converge" to a color, in the case of red, it would be something like blood red. Meaning if you over feed your bird with apple, you won't be at 255,0,0 but something like 150,50,50 (or directly blood red...)

This is the only logic possibility i can imagine. If not, i'm out of idea >__<

I'm going to do some testing on the results from a million of each fruit (the extreme colors) to see if I can determine what these converging values are. Do you by any chance know the dyes resulting from a ton of each color? For example, the blood red with apples and I think royal blue with berries. I don't know the rest though.