By the 12!?: What About the Guardians?

[AceofRains]

From what I understand...
Your choice of guardian doesn't have any affect on you. When activating your favor, I understand you get in general a skill point bonus? That doesn't seem much relevant to guardians to me, more like a daily bonus. So I would like some more info on the guardian system. (Not to distract everyone from the aftermath of 1.18 and all, just want a glimpse into something else other than people complaining about 1.18 and its own issues.)

A Modest Proposal
I propose giving characters special abilities that won't affect the fairness of having that particular Guardian, or skew the want for particular guardianship. Much to the affect of WoW's racial abilities (Yes, I'm citing WoW don't cry) a Guardian can function in a similar manner as an innate ability, that sometimes gives to you a little edge in your activities.

"You avow yourselves blessed by gods yet lack the capacity to summon them to your aid" -Ifrit R38 Mission

(re)Introducing your God(s)
Azeyma, the Warden - Azeyma is keeper of the sun and goddess of inquiry.
->Passive Skill: Clear Skies - Grants a bonus to evasiveness when fighting in the sunlight with no weather effects.
->Active Skill: Red Lotus - Collected sunlight from dodging attacks is translated into a damage skill with light and fire attribute.
Nophica, the Matron - Nophica, tender of soils and harvests and goddess of abundance, is the guardian deity of Gridania.
->Passive Skill: Gatherer's Gift - Increases DoL Luck.
->Active Skill: Wall - Cast a Wall that bestows Protect, Shell, Stoneskin, and Shock Spikes cooldown 1 hour.
Thaliak, the Scholar - Thaliak, ruler of rivers and wisdom and god of knowledge, is the guardian deity of Sharlayan.
->Passive Skill:Item Lore - Increases the potency of an item.
->Active Skill:Libra - Allows one to see a foes elemental and physical weak points, as well as grants a bonus for exploiting them. Cool down 5 minutes
Llymlaen, the Navigator -Llymlaen, watcher of the seas and goddess of navigation, is the guardian deity of Limsa Lominsa.
->Passive Skill:Wide Scan - Allow you to see monsters on your map in a far range, as well as displays what type they are.
->Active Skill: Undecided
Halone, the Fury - Halone, mover of glaciers and goddess of war, is the guardian deity of Ishgard.
->Passive Skill: Ravager's Charge - Gives a bonus to physical attributes.
->Active Skill: Mighty Strikes - Lands a critical strike on every hit.
Byregot, the Builder - Byregot is the purveyor of architecture and industry and god of the arts.
->Passive Skill: Craftsmanship - Increases potency of DoH, allowing for more success rate and higher potential for High Quality items.
->Active Skill: Perfection - Grants a bonus to armor and weapon power. Cool down 30 minutes.
Nald'thal, the Traders - Nald'thal is the overseer of transactions and the underworld and god of commerce.
->Passive Skill:Toll of Thal - A higher quantity of Gil drops when slaying a foe of intelligent race.
->Active Skill:Guile of Nald - Sell to an NPC for a higher prices as well and receive reduced prices.
Althyk, the Keeper - Althyk is the surveyor of change and space and god of time.
Passive Skill:Slow Time - Grant more time to your quest timer, does not work for party quests, until upgraded.
Active Skill:Anima Gift - Grants a few more anima to spend.
Nymeia, the Spinner - Nymeia is the watcher of celestial bodies and goddess of fate.
Passive Skill:Second Chance - Have 1 HP left after surviving an attack that should have killed you. Has a 10 minute cool down after activating.
Active Skill: Undecided...
Oschon, the Wanderer - Oschon is ruler of the mountains and god of vagrants.
Passive Skill:[ISecond Wind[/I] - Bestows Raise after a certain time has passed and you have not already been raised. If used, there is a 1 hour cool down.
Active Skill:Quickening-Run faster.
Menphina, the Lover - Menphina is keeper of the twin moons and the goddess of love.
Passive Skill:Full Stomach-The effects of food last longer.
Active Skill: Charm-Make a foe fall in love with you, preventing it from attacking you, does not allow you use them as a pet. Decreases the a targets enmity towards you, less for higher level foes. cool down 10 minutes.
Rhalgr, the Destroyer -Rhalgr, breaker of worlds, is the god of destruction and guardian deity of the now fallen nation of Ala Mhigo.
Passive Skill:Mana Flow - Gives a bonus to your magical attributes.
Active Skill:Manafont - Cast without the use of MP, one hour cool down. or Critical Magic-Land a critical hit with every one of the spells you cast.

Guardian Levels
Some have voiced that storyline or lore would be great to introduce these abilities. I agree, however I believe you should start out with some skill, and do some kind of "Guardian Trial" to level up your Guardian skills. For example
Thaliak, the scholar
Lvl 1-------------- Lvl 2 ------------------------------------------ ------- Lvl 3
Item Lore-------- Item Lore II (Increases the potency of items.)---- Item Lore II (No Change)
Libra------------- Libra (Does not change this level)------------------ Libraga (Party wide libra)


Now post my children!
I have no idea to what extent these marginal passive or active skills can truly affect the gameplay, but if you have better idea, I'm sure you and the Devs would love to hear em right here in this thread :]

The 12 Resources (Not actually 12)
Eorzeapedia Deities
By the 12!? And now with Lore!

[Ventus]

Inventive Idea - Check!

Well Thought out - Check!

Value of Post - Priceless =)

[Sav]

Rhalgr would serve as a magical type of Halone, whereas magical based attacks would crit (can magic crit in this game?) In a mighty strikes type fashion, or an ability such as blackmage's manafont, where casting doesn't not require MP for the skills duration.

Indeed, magic can crit.

All in all, a wonderful idea you have here. I hope the devs are watching.

[OMEGA_HACK]

I think I would rather see them as traits, and I've put some good amount of thought into this as well because having the option to choose a deity was pretty neat but sucks they haven't done anything with it. If you follow the lore between the gods and goddesses you learn they have their own story (there was a post somewhere on the net which talked about this). But basically what I was thinking was to have a Pro and Con for each deity (The positive effect on the player would be something that is directly related to the god of their choosing, the negative effect would be something from a god(dess) that doesn't like your god(dess) and has a direct tie in with opposite deity).

As far as exact details on what they would be? No idea. Your ideas seem cool but like I mentioned, I feel they should be traits and more subtle; or have phases in the game (days of the week kind of thing I suppose) when they strengthen and weaken. Also as a side note: Nymiea, the Spinner is referring to the Spinner of Fates (paths crossing and such; not so much with armor) she is basically the incarnation of Astrology if it'd be taken in a basic term. So maybe more of a Luck factor or something, maybe Treasure Hunter, if you are familiar with XI's terminology.

[AceofRains]

I think I would rather see them as traits, and I've put some good amount of thought into this as well because having the option to choose a deity was pretty neat but sucks they haven't done anything with it. If you follow the lore between the gods and goddesses you learn they have their own story (there was a post somewhere on the net which talked about this). But basically what I was thinking was to have a Pro and Con for each deity (The positive effect on the player would be something that is directly related to the god of their choosing, the negative effect would be something from a god(dess) that doesn't like your god(dess) and has a direct tie in with opposite deity).

As far as exact details on what they would be? No idea. Your ideas seem cool but like I mentioned, I feel they should be traits and more subtle; or have phases in the game (days of the week kind of thing I suppose) when they strengthen and weaken. Also as a side note: Nymiea, the Spinner is referring to the Spinner of Fates (paths crossing and such; not so much with armor) she is basically the incarnation of Astrology if it'd be taken in a basic term. So maybe more of a Luck factor or something, maybe Treasure Hunter, if you are familiar with XI's terminology.

Hmm as far as detrimental effects go, I kinda wouldn't recommend it. We wanna focus on the positive ya know?
Yeah I would wanna try and keep them limited to passive abilities as well, but an active ability isn't so bad. Maybe one of each?

& and thank you for letting me know about Nymeia, I just made a quick assumption about her xD although treasure hunter would be cool, Like some of my above idea, people would be like "No, I want THF to have that." Fate is kinda a hard concept to incorporate unless its gonna be statistical (In which statistics then make it less of fate lol), because we have free will in an MMO to play how we like.

[redmage]

This was a fun read! I too was hoping there'd be more to the choice of Guardian at the start. It'd be wonderful if something subtle such as this was implemented.

[AceofRains]

bump, now I go sleep and check out progress tomorrow.

[Ventus]

Hope a dev looks at this =X. I often forget what my guardian even is because well......there's no use to them =/.

[OMEGA_HACK]

I was going to make an elaborate attempt to make some suggestions to this but I think its gonna have to wait till tomorrow when I'm not so sleepy. Until then, caio~

[Rimmer]

Menphina, the Lover - Menphina is keeper of the twin moons and the goddess of love.
Menphine seems like a difficult one for me to make something up. A charm-type skill may be interesting-Not in the way BST was in FFXI. But idk, These are just my ideas.

She is also symbolised with the skillet, so perhaps a small bonus to duration of food effects.