Can we just have the Wrath of the Lich King Raiding Scheme?

[Fendred]

Each raid had two difficulties that someone could engage them in: normal or hard. Both were challenging and would wipe unprepared parties. There was no lore or story difference between the two. They literally were just two different difficulties for the raid.

Hard modes would give items that were slightly more powerful and had different colored skins, but not so much more powerful that they become a requirement of progression. A person who completed the normal modes for their full normal mode set would be prepared to move onto the next content patch when it came out just the same as the players who did the hard mode.

Normal modes were nothing like Crystal Tower in terms of ease. They posed a significant challenge to players, but the way they were tuned required less time wasted wiping than what the current Coil difficulty is set at, which is more akin to hard mode. If we were to put the numbers of the gear acquired into perspective, it would be like ilvl 105 gear when Syrcus Tower and 2nd Binding Coil are the current raids.

Please also consider the fact that by the time Wrath of the Lich King had come around, addons providing clear indications of boss abilities being activated were mandatory in virtually all raid groups. I'm not exaggerating at all when I say that. Addons that gave notifications of boss mechanics were mandatory for raiding. That kind of says something about what the general audience feels about having to constantly look at the boss's health bar for a cast bar to appear. Individual players can say what they will, claiming that they like to watch for cast bars, but its pretty obvious from how prolific addons of that type are in the genre that most people find it incredibly unpleasant.

I am making this suggestion because the end game community during Wrath of the Lich King was far less volatile and more helpful than what I am experiencing here in your game. I would like the community to be able to enjoy the story as it happens, provided they are willing to give their all. Unfortunately, the current design means the peak effort of only a few players will lead to that result.

Edit: And for those of you endorsing paying gil for clears... No one pays for a game to be walked through it, thank you very much.

[Krr]

{Yes, Please.}

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Players are rapidly approaching content walls that leave them nothing to do in the game except enter extremely hostile top-tier raiding environments. Something needs to exist between no-effort one-shot story mode content and 'hardcore only' raids. Not only will it improve the lifespan of the game, it will give players an environment that encourages learning and growing over constant browbeating.

[Findel]

I agree as well. I left the coil scene behind because it was too time demanding for me, but at the same time, I'd like to experience the story and some of the gear (as suggested lower level gear than a harder version of coil).

I'm not saying a faceroll "easy mode" for coil, just something that's a little more forgiving and maybe not progress locked. Savage Coil exists for those that want the extreme challenge, why not make current coil "Hard Mode" and add a "Normal Mode" for players that can't commit their entire play times to learning and beating the current raid content?

And for those that would nay say, again, I'm not asking for the SAME gear as coil. Just similar look, lower stats/ilevel and a slightly easier version.

[Deviant1]

a little more forgiving and maybe not progress locked.

You mean how the first coil is now? Wait until October and the second coil will be made easier for the casuals

Savage Coil exists for those that want the extreme challenge, why not make current coil "Hard Mode" and add a "Normal Mode" for players that can't commit their entire play times to learning and beating the current raid content?

Uh the current coil is 'normal mode' and savage is the hard mode. If you cant spend the time to learn the fight and beat the current content, wait until it is nerfed or find something else.

And for those that would nay say, again, I'm not asking for the SAME gear as coil. Just similar look, lower stats/ilevel and a slightly easier version.

There is the i90 gear, looks similar, lower level and stats compared to the second coil..

As for WoW, it has already had enough influence in this game, if anything I would prefer they make it less like WoW and more like the other Final Fantasy games.

This isn't WoW, and it isn't Final Fantasy either. I wish all the wow fanbois would go back, take Yoshi with you and then perhaps the next producer can recreate an actual unique game.

[Dijana]

This isn't WoW, and it isn't Final Fantasy either. I wish all the wow fanbois would go back, take Yoshi with you and then perhaps the next producer can recreate an actual unique game.

There's a reason that everything is called a wow clone you know, and why it's remained so popular after 10 years. I played WoW casually and enjoyed it, not my favourite game out there but it did a lot right. Really, I wish all the immature kids who think they're being edgy for hating on WoW would just leave. Who cares if 14 has similarities to another game that did a system well. I had more fun in XI than WoW, but I vastly prefer some of the systems 14 seems to be taking from wow than from XI. Most games have duty finders in some form like wow, they don't expect you to stand around in a main city for hours on end shouting for 20+ people

Not to mention, 14 1.0 was supposed to be unique. You arent going to get something that hasnt been done already. Tanaka wanted to make a game that wasnt like anything else, instead we were left with something that didnt work and had barely any content until Yoshi came along

[Titor]

Wait until October and the second coil will be made easier for the casuals.

I hate this.

Hate hate hate this.

I am not a casual, not in the slightest. I know the ins and the outs of the game, and research the fights before I do them, then join learning groups until I am confident to join a clear party.

However, due to my erratic schedule it is impossible for me to get into a static, and a majority of pugs are not as well organized as a static is, and does not down content really well. Between rage-quitters, people lying about knowing a fight when they do not, or just generally people slacking it is so hard to get a clear.

Back in Wrath on WoW I was able to get into pug groups for normal mode raid content weekly. I was able to down it weekly. I was able to get gear weekly. By the end of Wrath, I had my whole set of normal mode raid gear, and I felt good. I accomplished something, worked hard, got with other people, made some mistakes, made some wipes, but ultimately got through the content. Even without voice chat, not even listening.

Here I am trying to do t6 as a healer. It is EXTREMELY hard to do without voice chat. Even harder to do without addons. Among keeping track of vines, blighted, yellow mark, and honey, my eyes are twitching constantly around the entire screen. It is not very fun, but I do want to get the gear and progress, so I keep bashing my head against that plant.

And I have to do this EVERY TIME too. So far, I have done about 30 runs of it in various PUG groups. In EVERY SINGLE RUN someone messes up. I have messed up about 2 times out of these runs (not very high imo) and the rest of the time it is on the pugs. I start losing attention after a while, and I think I might just be done with it.

By no means am I casual. I just have an erratic schedule, and requiring that much focus for such a long time from the general population is a pretty high request.

[Dijana]

Between rage-quitters, people lying about knowing a fight when they do not, or just generally people slacking it is so hard to get a clear.

The sad thing is people needing to lie about knowing the fight because of exactly this hardcore mentality some people are already exhibiting in the thread already. After only a week or two the majority of groups on PF all demand you have a previous win, making it so the people that want to progress but werent in the first wave or an endgame FC have a very hard time trying to get into groups.

Then you come across the rare learning groups in PF that fill up, there quite often seems to be someone in there who expects a win regardless of what the group was going in for. My LS was doing a levi ex learning party some time ago when our other healer had to leave so we put up in PF and got someone who already cleared with their endgame FC joining. He constantly berated people for messing up, telling me I should play with keyboard instead of gamepad after I explained to him I have a physical reason to play with it, all while actually doing pretty bad himself (spent more time talking than healing)

Like I said, it seems very hard to progress if you werent in the first wave or a dedicated endgame FC

[Fendred]

You mean how the first coil is now? Wait until October and the second coil will be made easier for the casuals

Reading comprehension -10. Go back and carefully reread the opening post instead of mindlessly reiterating your own presuppositions. You are totally on the other side of the hemisphere right now.

The entire point is that there are a ton of gamers who neither fit into the category of casual or hardcore who are forced to play two extremes at end game that do not fit their needs. The point of normal modes isn't to hand out stuff like CT. Its to provide the same challenges to a group of people as the current raids, only slightly tuned down so they can be done in a more reasonable time frame.

And before you respond to this post, go back and read. Don't just read this and respond. Read the opening post first.

[axemtitanium]

Edit: And for those of you endorsing paying gil for clears... No one pays for a game to be walked through it, thank you very much.

My gil bank account says hi.

[Chiramu]

My gil bank account says hi.

No one with pride the OP should have said.