New SB limitations - facts

[Kiara]

I did Castrum with crafting accessories - all HQ and all with a random T1 or TII materia (mostly TII which seem to be cheaper than TI most of the time).
i49 neck - net gain +85%
i45 ear - net gain +84%
i46 wrist - +112%
i47 ring - +104%

This is much faster SB than before. Looks like those that simply want to SB will be able to do it much faster now. Those that combined SB with other goals (tomes, dailies, etc). not so much.

BTW, got 5 materia, including 2 TIV for the run. Normally with these accessories, i get about 10% TIV conversion rate.

Hi Waeksyn,

This is fantastic news! Wow, 1 dungeon run, and the Spiritbonding is SO much faster. Can't wait to do a few sets this weekend.

[Manuka]

Alright I finally completed the overworld testing, here's the data using 9 lvl37 mobs;

i17 Hard Leather Shep's Belt ~ 1% (no bond)
i18 Brass Ring of Craft ~ 3%
i19 Cotton Coif of Gat ~ 7%
i20 Cotton Workgloves ~ 11%
i21 Cotton Doublet Vest of Craft ~ 15%
i22 Goatskin Espadrilles ~ 18%
i23 Velveteen Bandana ~ 21%
i24 Iniate's Gown ~ 22%
i25 Silver Magnifiers ~ 24%
i26 Velveteen Coatee of Craft ~ 26%
i27Velveteen Wedge Cap of Craft ~ 28%
i28 Velveteen Half Apron ~ 26%
i29 Silver Chocker ~ 24%
i30 Velveteen Gown ~ 16%
i31 Steel Goggles ~ 15%
i32 Velveteen Doublet V of C ~ 14%
i33 Linen Halfgloves ~ 12%
i34 Myhtril Magnifiers ~ 11%
i35 Wolf Earrings ~ 10%
i36 Mythril Gorget ~ 9%
***i37 Mythril Ring ~ 8%
i38 Linen Shortgloves ~ 8%
i39 Linen Bliaud ~ 8%
i40 Woolen Sash ~ 7%
i41 Woolen Dress Gloves ~ 7%
i42 Boarskin Toolbelt ~ 7%
i43 Boarskin Survival ~ 7%
i44 Cobalt Preserves ~ 6%
i45 Felt Coif of Gat~ 4%
i46 Electrum Wrists of Craft ~ 4%
i47 Electrum Ring of Craft ~ 3%
i48 Tourmaline Chocker ~ 3%
i49 Electrum Choker ~ 3%

This section was tested on the level 20 mobs in East Shroud to gauge the upper threshold before SB stops.
~13 Velveteen Doub 14% ~ 3%
~14 Linen Halfgloves 25% ~ 3%
~15 Myhtril Mags 11% ~ 3%
~16 Wolf Earrings 49% ~ 3%
~17 Mythril Gorget 18% ~ 3%
~18 Mythril Ring 42% ~ 3%
~19 Linen Bliaud ~ 1% (no bond)

So from all this data the best lvl gear range's to SB are 15-8 levels below the mob your killing as there are sharp losses at the 16 and 7 level mark. Spiritbonding completely stops at 20 levels below the mob and 19 levels above the mob. Gear that is 10 levels or higher than the mob seems to have a capped SB rate that continues until the cutoff. I don't know how much of this relates to dungeon bonding but for Ultimatecalibur I do intend to see what the bond rate for i55 gear is in the overworld later, my inventory is full of crap I need to bond atm lol.

[SulwynCaliope]

Great info Manuka. Thanks so much for testing and sharing. This will be particularly interesting for my friends who prefer to SB i37 gear for tier II materia. May I have permission to copy and paste this information onto my FC website to share with them? Will credit you for it.

[Manuka]

Great info Manuka. Thanks so much for testing and sharing. This will be particularly interesting for my friends who prefer to SB i37 gear for tier II materia. May I have permission to copy and paste this information onto my FC website to share with them? Will credit you for it.

Share away! If enough people know the prices on some of this materia might actually go down a bit lol

[LydallMomoda]

Alright I finally completed the overworld testing, here's the data using 9 lvl37 mobs;

i17 Hard Leather Shep's Belt ~ 1% (no bond)
i18 Brass Ring of Craft ~ 3%
i19 Cotton Coif of Gat ~ 7%
blah blah blah.....

Good info Manuka. But I would suggest to test spiritbonding gears in dungeons too. I found that we can sb 28% ilvl70 wpn with 2 slots melded (I tried Alkalurops HQ), 65% -66% ilvl55 gears with 1 slot melded in 2 CM full run. Tested ilvl46-ilvl49 in CM, same result as Waeksyn. Gonna try sbing some ilvl70 with 2 slots melded in WP or AK....

[Manuka]

Good info Manuka. But I would suggest to test spiritbonding gears in dungeons too. I found that we can sb 28% ilvl70 wpn with 2 slots melded (I tried Alkalurops HQ), 65% -66% ilvl55 gears with 1 slot melded in 2 CM full run. Tested ilvl46-ilvl49 in CM, same result as Waeksyn. Gonna try sbing some ilvl70 with 2 slots melded in WP or AK....

That's next on my agenda, just needa get some wind shards to craft since desynth killed all of mine lol My plan is basically to grab some FC mates, enter the instance and have them all drop but me (so as to not incur the party penalty on SB) and kill nine baddies with NQ accessories of varying levels then check the rates. This way I hope to find both the SB cutoff's (and if they're the same as the Overworld) for the dungeon as well as see if there's any correlation with the Overworld SB rates. If there is one we can determine from it the level of the mobs and plan SB accordingly.

Just a question but if I were to run Coil T3 for SBing, what gear would you suggest I bring in? i70 or i90?

From earlier posts it seems the ilvl of the gear dropped in the dungeon corresponds to the monster level range. So in this case First Coil would be i90 and will stop SB'in at exactly i70, so basically only i90 crafted gear.

[SulwynCaliope]

Just a question but if I were to run Coil T3 for SBing, what gear would you suggest I bring in? i70 or i90?

[ispano]

Wanderer's Palace. 2 i45 and 2 i47 pieces. All HQ, with 1 materia each. Using single Meteor survivor ring.

All mobs up to second boss, the i47 pieces were 12%, the i45s didn't bind at all. So my bet is once you hit a 10+ gap is where the complete stop is. Assuming WP is considered 55 that is.

[Triston]

Wanderer's Palace. 2 i45 and 2 i47 pieces. All HQ, with 1 materia each. Using single Meteor survivor ring.

All mobs up to second boss, the i47 pieces were 12%, the i45s didn't bind at all. So my bet is once you hit a 10+ gap is where the complete stop is. Assuming WP is considered 55 that is.

Using this data, I think SE may have set mob's effective levels inside dungeons to be the iLvl of the dropped loot +10; thus ensuring that the best gear to bind will be gear of the iLvl dropped there. Our data has shown that the best sb is 10 levels over the item level, and it stops completely at 20 over. Therefore we can extrapolate that WP mobs are actually level 65. This would make i55 the best to SB, and i45 would not bond, as you have shown.

Therefore, unlike the list previously placed in this thread, (but we will need more data to prove it) I contend that the best places to SB gear will likely be:

i55: WP, CM, Praet
i70: current hard mode dungeons
i90: current expert mode dungeons

I would like to see data if anyone can produce it on taking i70 gear into Labyrinth of the ancients (which drops i80) and i90 gear into Syrcus. (which drops i100)
If those bond in the respective locations, then SE has done wonky stuff with the effective mob levels in each dungeon and we will need to get more meticulous data in each.

[Triston]

To respond to myself, did a frantic attempt at ST just now before maintenance (lol) just to see what my SB gains would be.
From start to just before Amon () my i90 gear gained about 12% bond, and my i100 gear gained 6%, half as much. I wish I had thought to find some i80/85/95 gear to bring to better pinpoint the mobs' effective levels, but it still disproves my theory in that these creatures were obviously NOT level 110, and are likely to be level 100? (to account for i90 leveling faster there)
Frankly, we still just need more data on people bringing multiple iLvls of gear simultaneously into each dungeon/raid (for example a piece each of 50,55,60,70 and 80 all on the same character) to determine what effective level the mobs are and therefore what iLvl gear would spiritbond best there.