OFFICIAL Eorzea's Next Top Model Discussion Thread

[Tinsley]

1) Don't put the models in alphabetical order every week.

2) Have the judges vote and give their comments before

3) Have the judges vote hold more weight.

4) Maybe consider some other method of elimination besides single round.

5) Judges: .... provide constructive criticism instead.

1. I am on your side on this point. No matter what Rongi's spread sheet says it's a matter of perception and I can't count how many comments i got during my cycle that went along the lines of "I almost picked yours". I couldn't help but wonder if they had seen my photo nearer to the front of the pack, would i have made their mental top 3,4,etc and gotten more praise / votes? So, even if it doesn't make a difference in the long run, being the first or 2nd photo seen occasionally would not hurt.

2. As a judge this cycle, I vote and make comments based solely on my personal thoughts. I have a little notebook and write down first impressions, then go back later and form my thoughts while i study the shots a bit more. I glance at votes and voters comments but they dont influence my opinion. (just commenting on my process so it's out there)

Having the judges submit comments and votes before the public views the shots would cause two issues imo. Gut reactions by having to submit in super short time frames or Ty having to change submission deadlines and/or posting dates.

3. I think combined, the judges have alot of weight.. a shot can earn up to 15 extra points above and beyond what the public gives. Unfortunately, vote padding happens in each cycle to an extent and I know rongi and Ty do look for counters to that.

4. This is Ty and Rongi's department but i know they have talked with us judges about options in the future

5. Personally, my method of commenting/critiqueing is to keep it very positive. In my head i might think it's a weak shot but in those cases i make sure to put in what i do like about the picture, what and why i dont like about it and then a way to fix the issue that i might have with a photo with a bit of encouragement thrown in when needed. I know that no matter the picture, there was alot of effort and thought put into it and I respect that. I, and the other judges, do really try to guide with a gentler hand. In the beginning there was a couple comments that could be considered harsh but they were never malicious.


And just throwing this out there,
Once this is all over i'll gladly go over all my critiques/comments with any model that wants to know which comments were mine.

[AdamFyi]

Yay, I finally submitted my screenshot for Round 7! I hope it's good enough. I can say that I'm pretty decent when it comes to timing all the special effects and emotes, so I'm happy with what I submitted this round.

I just hope people like it...

[MissBrunHilda]

I think you misunderstand. I'm not saying it gives a huge advantage/disadvantage, but it does exist. The last person can still win, no doubt, but what does it hurt to randomize the names each round in the name of fairness?

Beg your pardon, but I disagree. You posted earlier about people admitting that they didn't go through the whole album, but I didn't see many examples of that. Speaking only for myself, I know that I carefully go over each submission to cast my vote to the best of my ability. I try my best to see how the photo's '1,000 words' come through to me. I know that I'm merely a fan vote, but I do my best to give everyone a fair shake.

Yay, I finally submitted my screenshot for Round 7! I hope it's good enough. I can say that I'm pretty decent when it comes to timing all the special effects and emotes, so I'm happy with what I submitted this round.

I'm looking forward to your submission, Adam! <3

[Amenian]

Beg your pardon, but I disagree. You posted earlier about people admitting that they didn't go through the whole album, but I didn't see many examples of that. Speaking only for myself, I know that I carefully go over each submission to cast my vote to the best of my ability. I try my best to see how the photo's '1,000 words' come through to me. I know that I'm merely a fan vote, but I do my best to give everyone a fair shake.

And here I was thinking that was the least controversial of my suggestions. Color me surprised. I really don't get the resistance to it as its probably the easiest thing to implement and removes any chance of perceived bias. In the interest of not inadvertantly making it appear to be sore loseredness I'll agree to disagree here.

[MissBrunHilda]

And here I was thinking that was the least controversial of my suggestions. Color me surprised. I really don't get the resistance to it as its probably the easiest thing to implement and removes any chance of perceived bias. In the interest of not inadvertantly making it appear to be sore loseredness I'll agree to disagree here.

I didn't feel qualified to comment on any of your other suggestions as to the way that it's run, that's more the place of the judges. ^^

[AdamFyi]

I'm looking forward to your submission, Adam! <3

:D!! *cough*Hopefully I live up to your expectations.*cough*

[MissBrunHilda]

!! *cough*Hopefully I live up to your expectations.*cough*

You will!

[AdamFyi]

You will!

<3

[EorzeasNTM]

B-but how can putting the models in alphabetical order be percieved as bias? ; ;
The reason they are listed alphabetically is to stop biasness. Lol.

I didnt post about your other critiques because Tyriont is sleeping and I dont want to respond before he and I discuss them. The only one i felt comfortable responding to without my cohost is number 1. ^^,,,,

[Amenian]

B-but how can putting the models in alphabetical order be percieved as bias? ; ;
The reason they are listed alphabetically is to stop biasness. Lol.

Aww, I think bias is the wrong word. Even if it's the right one, it's not an intentional one. Maybe perceived unfairness? It's not even on the posting side, it's on the voting side. I'll try to explain, but keep in mind I'm at work so can't devote a lot of time to doing so. Basically, when the voter (the public) is looking at the pictures in order, by the time they get to the last photo they likely already have three in their mind they are planning to vote on. This means the further down the list you are the better your picture has to be to knock off one of those three. It probably doesn't make a huge difference in the end, but in tight contests of one or two votes making the difference, it could be the decision maker.

I honestly hadn't even considered that some people might view the randomization as being handled unfairly. I see your point there. Maybe the listing order really is nothing more than a lose-lose situation regardless of how you do it.

Edit: Check out Tinsley's comment on this. She said it much better than me.