How about... an easy mode Coil?

[Surian]

I'd like this.

Not because "oh no coil is too hard", but because the whole instance creates nothing but douche players. I feel i'm pretty decently geared myself, but i simply dont want to deal with the players coil puts forth.

Having a place where casual people who dont care about the gear or achievements can just do them for the cutscenes and the fights would be great. I dont see how anyone can be against this.

The casual players will be happy because they can experience coil and finish the story behind it without getting shouted at or cursed at for no reason at all.
The elite players will be happy because they wont have filthy casual players in their runs looting on their gears if they do manage to win.

I dont see how anyone could be against this.

[Assirra]

You know what the most interesting paradox about this thread in regards to not only this game but other MMORPG in general is ?

If there wasn't content that 80% of the population couldn't pass, would the 20% of the population who can pass that content even bother playing the game at all ?

Think about it...

Contrary to you belief people do not raid for e-peen and bragging rights against others but because they enjoy it.

[Nama]

I find that quite alot of people that can't clear coil are also not really trying to do t5 having given up trying around 5-10% echo. Besides removing insta-death how can this fight be easier? Not to mention 2.4 is another ilv increase which will make coil1 even easier. Some also make the argument that being able to experience the fight is a reason to weaken said fight but that is altering the very experience people want in the first place. If mechanics are removed or the whole fight is made trivially easy then why not just skip it and go straight to cutscenes.

[Assirra]

Yes there is - most people bragging about how easily they beat T5 will never *ever* admit to using it though. Look up a YouTube video of what this app actual does in-fight, and you'll see how much easier it makes the fight.

Amusing how someone that wants to make coil easy mode knows about this kind of stuff.

[zPanda]

Contrary to you belief people do not raid for e-peen and bragging rights against others but because they enjoy it.

That's good for you and I realize there are others like you as well, but you're really telling me that there aren't a lot of people out there who would not play MMORPGs if the e-peen factor wasn't a factor ?

[Barboron]

How many people have beaten T5 (before echo) without the use of the Twintania App (which clearly indicates death sentence, and makes avoiding Dive-bombs and Twisters much easier ? ) ? Most people won't be honest about answering this - I can guarantee you that lol...

Honestly? I can say I have, I don't condone the use of such apps. And I agree that players who claim their titles of being some of the best and using this app are really just fooling themselves.

I don't like these apps, I haven't used one and will never use one. I did manage to beat T5 the day before the echo was implemented.

[zPanda]

Amusing how someone that wants to make coil easy mode knows about this kind of stuff.

Touch a nerve there lol? Twintania app (FFXIVapp) is pretty common knowledge out there - I mean, look at all the Hunt threads complaining about the "Radar" plugin for FFXIVapp on this forum lol. BTW, I don't really care about coil "easy mode" either way, I'm just saying I wouldn't be opposed to it either. I've cleared T5 a while ago, and I don't really see why implementing a T5 "easy mode" should bother anyone else who has either. It just amuses me that there are people here who are so insecure about a T5 "easy mode" somehow diminishing their previous accomplishments.

[Radacci]

Twintania only has 1 insta-death mechanic which is easily avoidable by using focus target on her and seeing when she cats twister then then you.... run in a circle! lol not really a hard thing/ Divebombs hard? Stack in a hole, see a green marker, run up > run back. WOW that's difficult! With the echo buff Conflags and Dreds arent even an issue. Sorry but I dont feel bad for people who can't beat t5. And yes, I beat it before echo was added. And no, I didnt have APP when I beat it.

ppl dont stack properly, stand to far up, and mess up the entire party....or run into flames...
and like i said in prev post, even with ilv100 and echo, some groups dont get conflags down.

I guess Gilgamesh is just ahead or something... I rarely see T5 kill groups that AREN'T farm groups up in PF. Why don't they just get rid of T5 all together and hand people the gear from there? I'm sorry but if people are THAT bad that they can't beat it when 4-5 man groups can, then they are playing the wrong game because it only gets harder after that. And I110 items are bough with soldiery. Too many people want a carry. And I was only saying 80% based off what was said in an earlier post. I don't know the numbers I just know that a HUGE majority of people have beaten T5 on Gilgamesh at least.

Edit: And since they already said they wont make it easier, period, this argument is pointless. Get better at the game, gear your char, and try again. Thats all you can do at this point if you cant beat T5. Moving on

uh, there's a big difference of saying farm group, in PF...and actually farming twin...
i been in plenty of *farm groups* but it's actually twintania farming PCs.
and like i said in my edit, getting carried doesn't count; and there's plenty of ppl with carries.

[Meenesfeja]

Yes there is - most people bragging about how easily they beat T5 will never *ever* admit to using it though. Look up a YouTube video of what this app actual does in-fight, and you'll see how much easier it makes the fight.

Indeed... But still TS or skype call can do the same effect kinda - though with enough practice you should be able to look up focus target yourself...
I admit that twin was hard when people did it with ilvl82 or lower, without echo. It required a skill... 20% echo simply requires you to dodge stuff that will instantly kill you and know how to play your class (though now 1 good healer can make up for another not so good one). I mean... If you have enough gear, nowadays even divebombs will not one shot you unless you hit the wall or you get unlucky enough to get mark above your head after getting hit outside the formation... Though 1 dead person still is better than dead party

[xnonamex]

Well now that next coil will be coming out with next patch they should do something to get most of the ppl done with first coil at least imo. There are a lot of players who haven't done it (just for your reference I have done it quite some time ago with 5% echo because I didn't even try it much before they made it with echo and made my way up to t9) and SE rly needs to catch them up to speed. Because of course you can view coil as optional end game stuff. But it actually is quite vital to the story line in my opinion. And this is "old" content that we are talking about here. Especially once the patch 2.4 hits. None of the loots or rewards from that will be anything special so I really wouldn't mind that most average and bellow average players complete it.