How about... an easy mode Coil?

[Krystal_]

They already said they will not make first coil easier. Period. They said it. Sorry to disappoint but it doesnt get much easier than it already is. As people have said, there's groups that 4-5 man T5 coil now because of how simple it is. If you can't beat coil with how simple it is now, you might consider a different game.

Edit: 80% of the server can pass T5. Not the other way around. 80%+ I would say at this point. If you can't beat T5 with i110 gear so easy to get (just have to put the time into hunting) than you will NEVER beat the SCoB turns because they are all about mechanics....

[zPanda]

They already said they will not make first coil easier. Period. They said it. Sorry to disappoint but it doesnt get much easier than it already is. As people have said, there's groups that 4-5 man T5 coil now because of how simple it is. If you can't beat coil with how simple it is now, you might consider a different game.

Edit: 80% of the server can pass T5. Not the other way around. 80%+ I would say at this point. If you can't beat T5 with i110 gear so easy to get (just have to put the time into hunting) than you will NEVER beat the SCoB turns because they are all about mechanics....

I actually find T6 to be easier than T5 in a lot of ways. The only insta-death mechanic in T6 simply requires you to disengage and not touch your controls lol.

Also, and I know most people won't be honest about this either. How many people have beaten T5 (before echo) without the use of the Twintania App (which clearly indicates death sentence, and makes avoiding Dive-bombs and Twisters much easier ? ) ? Most people won't be honest about answering this - I can guarantee you that lol...

[Meenesfeja]

How many people have beaten T5 (before echo) without the use of the Twintania App (which clearly indicates death sentence, and makes avoiding Dive-bombs and Twisters much easier ? ) ?

Wait... There was such an app? O_o I thought that focus target is a way how to do it lol...

[zPanda]

Wait... There was such an app? O_o I thought that focus target is a way how to do it lol...

Yes there is - most people bragging about how easily they beat T5 will never *ever* admit to using it though. Look up a YouTube video of what this app actual does in-fight, and you'll see how much easier it makes the fight.

[Assirra]

Yes there is - most people bragging about how easily they beat T5 will never *ever* admit to using it though. Look up a YouTube video of what this app actual does in-fight, and you'll see how much easier it makes the fight.

Amusing how someone that wants to make coil easy mode knows about this kind of stuff.

[zPanda]

Amusing how someone that wants to make coil easy mode knows about this kind of stuff.

Touch a nerve there lol? Twintania app (FFXIVapp) is pretty common knowledge out there - I mean, look at all the Hunt threads complaining about the "Radar" plugin for FFXIVapp on this forum lol. BTW, I don't really care about coil "easy mode" either way, I'm just saying I wouldn't be opposed to it either. I've cleared T5 a while ago, and I don't really see why implementing a T5 "easy mode" should bother anyone else who has either. It just amuses me that there are people here who are so insecure about a T5 "easy mode" somehow diminishing their previous accomplishments.

[Assirra]

Touch a nerve there lol? Twintania app (FFXIVapp) is pretty common knowledge out there - I mean, look at all the Hunt threads complaining about the "Radar" plugin for FFXIVapp on this forum lol. BTW, I don't really care about coil "easy mode" either way, I'm just saying I wouldn't be opposed to it either. I've cleared T5 a while ago, and I don't really see why implementing a T5 "easy mode" should bother anyone else who has either. It just amuses me that there are people here who are so insecure about a T5 "easy mode" somehow diminishing their previous accomplishments.

Honestly, before you mentioned it i didn't knew it existed. I prefer my kills legit. at the same time i dislike "smart use of game mechanics" on something like t2 enrage mode.
And for me its not about disminshing previous accomplishments. I seen what this will become back in wow. A ton of people with zero insentive to do actual raiding because they get everything from easy mode bar a title.

[Barboron]

It just amuses me that there are people here who are so insecure about a T5 "easy mode" somehow diminishing their previous accomplishments.

Seeing only one reason doesn't mean there is only one reason, that's just ignorance. Now, hoping that I didn't touch any nerves, it's more so about the effects of implementing such content. Questions, in my mind, arise such as:has already done that.

Will this reflect on the difficulty of easier content? The difficulty of coil was already change before implementation, that's what savage is now, the original version.

Will there be expectations to release this with all raid content? Second coil? Third coil?

For those who do raid, we will get players like OP who will label others as elitist simply because we can clear content and are made to feel guilty when trying to form a group capable of getting capable players. It's not elitism, would someone call their boss an "elitist" if they got fired because they were incapable of doing their job? No, they just have to accept it. So, when recruiting for the latest content, this will flood it with players who are incapable of completing it simply because they are relying on an easy mode and so their expectations on the difficulty of the fight will be different to those who understand the mechanics and know what to expect.

I am all up for helping players who are up for learning a fight, what I don't enjoy, and you get this in the DF so much, is players who come in, don't look a single thing up and expect you to give them a detailed run through in the fight. Time is limited in an instance and in the DF this just isn't fair to make other players wait. Now, of course there are exceptions. Some players will learn quite quickly or just as good, some players will be determined and learn all the same. When you get a new player constantly running head first into a wall, then it's a "nope" from me. That is why easy mode shouldn't be implemented. We shouldn't have to resort to spoon feeding people because it will have lasting impacts, not because I care about my achievement. If that was my concern, and that of others, the echo

[Meenesfeja]

Yes there is - most people bragging about how easily they beat T5 will never *ever* admit to using it though. Look up a YouTube video of what this app actual does in-fight, and you'll see how much easier it makes the fight.

Indeed... But still TS or skype call can do the same effect kinda - though with enough practice you should be able to look up focus target yourself...
I admit that twin was hard when people did it with ilvl82 or lower, without echo. It required a skill... 20% echo simply requires you to dodge stuff that will instantly kill you and know how to play your class (though now 1 good healer can make up for another not so good one). I mean... If you have enough gear, nowadays even divebombs will not one shot you unless you hit the wall or you get unlucky enough to get mark above your head after getting hit outside the formation... Though 1 dead person still is better than dead party

[Barboron]

How many people have beaten T5 (before echo) without the use of the Twintania App (which clearly indicates death sentence, and makes avoiding Dive-bombs and Twisters much easier ? ) ? Most people won't be honest about answering this - I can guarantee you that lol...

Honestly? I can say I have, I don't condone the use of such apps. And I agree that players who claim their titles of being some of the best and using this app are really just fooling themselves.

I don't like these apps, I haven't used one and will never use one. I did manage to beat T5 the day before the echo was implemented.