How about... an easy mode Coil?

[Markas]

I don't think anything should be changed at all. No I am not saying this from an elitist standpoint. As has been stated before, its already in easy mode, just get friends that wont rage quit or start a learning party in PF. Watch videos (there are many) because they are most helpful and study your roles. An easy mode is just going to send you into the real thing with a cocky attitude only to be smacked down again.

[Luvbunny]

This is the reason for the OP's suggestion. Practice Mode would give a player hands on experience.

But there is already a practice mode for Coil, or any other content in the game for that matter, it is called Party Finder. Put it on the list, write on it why you wanna do it and whats it for, then shout it. It's mostly culture and player mentality - practicing using Party Finder is not very common in NA servers. NA players just do not bother to do anything, they can't won't not going to read stuffs, they can't won't not going to do extra research, some are against watching video tutorials or reading some basic info of the mechanics. Anything that require some "efforts" to get better is generally shunned by the majority of NA players. ZERG KILL KILL KILL or it's not going to happen. I know I am generalizing but with DF, you often get the bad ones more so than the good ones. Most of the good dedicated ones would either make a static or ask their FC for help.

[monochromicorn]

i like how almost every single person seems to think that the people who havent had a T5 down are just not putting any effort into it. for a lot of people, thats not true on NA servers. PF isnt used for practice, its used for clears and kills, no exceptions. DF is used for practice, but if no one ever wants to stay in the instance past 1 wipe, and sometimes even immediately disbands, there is no place to practice, so no one is ever able to learn the fight. youve either finished it, or you have almost no hope of getting past it. a lot of the people on jenova came from other worlds as alts, and they can do just fine, plenty of server firsts there, but the people that actually started here, you have to have a pretty generous and laid back FC, or be very lucky

[BunnyChain]

In TERA they have an easy mode of the Queen fight that doesn't drop any serious loot and is / was used for practice, to go later to the HM (original) version of it. It was added later in the game and had, iirc, no one-shot mechanics but they could still k.o. you if you weren't well geared.
Might be not a bad idea to add something like that to here as well, because as we know, Echo buff doesn't really help people with the things they are wiping on. The increased health points, damage and healing is already done by better gear.

Whether they add that or not I'd recommend OP to make a PF group and add people to a LS that are willing to learn and clear it with you. It isn't really all that difficult.

[Barboron]

without having to sacrifice their schedules hooking up with elite statics?

I really can't think of a reason not to make an Easy Mode, except for the elitist attitude of, "They shouldn't be able to do what I can do", but really, they wouldn't be. O.O

You really love to brand people as "elitist". You have a terrible attitude to other players who can complete content. If you want easy stuff to complete, go pick up your nearest Dora the Explorer game or Hello Kitty if it's not too difficult. Why pay for a game that is going to be easy?

Your attitude at branding people as "elitist" simply because they can complete T5 is just horrible, and it's a horrible approach at this situation. Take out the idea of people wanting rewards, as in don't consider them a factor for people not wanting easy mode, and instead look at what lies ahead. Call me elitist here if you will, it will just further reinforce the ignorance you portray, but if a player can not successfully complete T5, what chances do they have in the second coil?

Before you, or anyone else goes on their little rant about "oh but it's everyone else holding me back. I can't get seven good players", well consider this quote:

“You run into an a**hole in the morning: you ran into an a**hole. You run into a**holes all day: you’re the a**hole.” – Raylan Givens

Except replace the word "a**hole" with whatever term(s) you want to signify a player who is not yet capable of completing T5. Since you seem to like branding people who can complete content, I will follow your suit and use the word "casuals" because like this, casuals clearly can't complete anything, so it then becomes:

“You run into a casual in the morning: you ran into a casual. You run into casuals all day: you’re the casual.” – Not Raylan Givens

If you're sick and tired of having a party of players who can't complete content, there is nothing to stop you, yes I mean you, from forming a party with players who are capable. Players have to leave before completing it? Not enough time? People need to disband? Well, I have the solution for you! Or, well...SE does. In just a few simple steps, you can add someone to your friends list! Not only that, but you have been provided with up to 8 spaces for linkshells on top of FC. Not enough? Get a pen and paper and write those names down! Book mark them on the lodestone if you have too. Stop pushing your problems onto other people and expecting them to take the hit because it's just a matter of learning. There are plenty of resources out there to learn from, it's the internet and it's pretty useful. There's an abundant of resources, google alone can point there out for you but there are already the forums (That's where you are right now), youtube, those famous FC websites (The obvious one being BG but don't take them as the be-all and end-all of this game). Gather your resources, study them at whatever pace you wish because you are paying for this game and you set your own pace, just don't expect everyone around you to play at the same pace as yourself so you got to either keep up or sit it out. Yeah, you are paying for this game but that's what you are buying into. That's what everyone here is buying into, myself included. Then, when you feel ready and capable, go and kill it.

You won't get good at something if you don't try, and simply coming on the forums and begging for it to be made easier, is not really trying.

So you never beat the first coil..but you're saying this. You know, it's not a good idea to talk about something you know little to nothing about lol..

This player actually makes a very fair and valid point. Just because they have not yet completed the content, doesn't ruin the validity of their comment. This player is in fact backing the idea of NOT making game content easy and this is something we should applaud and not belittle their opinion by making it seem worthless. This is a player who clearly wants the challenge. If we had more players like this, perhaps we wouldn't have had an echo buff implemented to begin with.

[SeekerScorpio]

You really love to brand people as "elitist". You have a terrible attitude to other players who can complete content. If you want easy stuff to complete, go pick up your nearest Dora the Explorer game or Hello Kitty if it's not too difficult. Why pay for a game that is going to be easy?

Your attitude at branding people as "elitist" simply because they can complete T5 is just horrible, and it's a horrible approach at this situation. Take out the idea of people wanting rewards, as in don't consider them a factor for people not wanting easy mode, and instead look at what lies ahead. Call me elitist here if you will, it will just further reinforce the ignorance you portray, but if a player can not successfully complete T5, what chances do they have in the second coil?

Before you, or anyone else goes on their little rant about "oh but it's everyone else holding me back. I can't get seven good players", well consider this quote:



Except replace the word "a**hole" with whatever term(s) you want to signify a player who is not yet capable of completing T5. Since you seem to like branding people who can complete content, I will follow your suit and use the word "casuals" because like this, casuals clearly can't complete anything, so it then becomes:



If you're sick and tired of having a party of players who can't complete content, there is nothing to stop you, yes I mean you, from forming a party with players who are capable. Players have to leave before completing it? Not enough time? People need to disband? Well, I have the solution for you! Or, well...SE does. In just a few simple steps, you can add someone to your friends list! Not only that, but you have been provided with up to 8 spaces for linkshells on top of FC. Not enough? Get a pen and paper and write those names down! Book mark them on the lodestone if you have too. Stop pushing your problems onto other people and expecting them to take the hit because it's just a matter of learning. There are plenty of resources out there to learn from, it's the internet and it's pretty useful. There's an abundant of resources, google alone can point there out for you but there are already the forums (That's where you are right now), youtube, those famous FC websites (The obvious one being BG but don't take them as the be-all and end-all of this game). Gather your resources, study them at whatever pace you wish because you are paying for this game and you set your own pace, just don't expect everyone around you to play at the same pace as yourself so you got to either keep up or sit it out. Yeah, you are paying for this game but that's what you are buying into. That's what everyone here is buying into, myself included. Then, when you feel ready and capable, go and kill it.

You won't get good at something if you don't try, and simply coming on the forums and begging for it to be made easier, is not really trying.

Yes! thank you! I love how threads and tons of posts of people dropping the term casual and they get removed and make threads of SE suspending them for using it, but it's all okay for self entitled people like the OP drop elitist when it's EQUALLY offensive and it's disgusting they're allowed to be vulgar in such aspects and see no justice against them.

“You run into a casual in the morning: you ran into a casual. You run into casuals all day: you’re the casual.” – Not Raylan Givens

If you're sick and tired of having a party of players who can't complete content, there is nothing to stop you, yes I mean you, from forming a party with players who are capable. Players have to leave before completing it? Not enough time? People need to disband? Well, I have the solution for you! Or, well...SE does. In just a few simple steps, you can add someone to your friends list! Not only that, but you have been provided with up to 8 spaces for linkshells on top of FC. Not enough? Get a pen and paper and write those names down! Book mark them on the lodestone if you have too. Stop pushing your problems onto other people and expecting them to take the hit because it's just a matter of learning. There are plenty of resources out there to learn from, it's the internet and it's pretty useful. There's an abundant of resources, google alone can point there out for you but there are already the forums (That's where you are right now), youtube, those famous FC websites (The obvious one being BG but don't take them as the be-all and end-all of this game). Gather your resources, study them at whatever pace you wish because you are paying for this game and you set your own pace, just don't expect everyone around you to play at the same pace as yourself so you got to either keep up or sit it out. Yeah, you are paying for this game but that's what you are buying into. That's what everyone here is buying into, myself included. Then, when you feel ready and capable, go and kill it.

You won't get good at something if you don't try, and simply coming on the forums and begging for it to be made easier, is not really trying.

Back to the main topic, this is probably the most constructive thing to give to a casual, yet they'll just auto dismiss it since the gear/content isn't in a shape of a welfare check (I see echo as food stamps). "I don't want to learn, this is just a game! I want free stuff, because I pay money a month for this!" insert any nonsensical self entitled quote that's a common stance from them and it's all laughably amusing. Everyone in someway shape or form pays a month for this game (fill in the blanks anyway you wish here). If you want to push completely asinine mentalities like, "I don't want to learn it's just a game, I already work hard, why should I work in this game" or anything like it, then why play an MMO? If your job is so "excruciatingly difficult" (don't play that contest with me on difficult jobs and time constraints) and you want to play a genre who has a track record of putting in effort and working together as a team... why are you here? It's funny, because this game prides itself on not that being that difficult, yet people still want it more condensed. It's so mindblowing that people push their personal life onto this game where they make excuses for themselves in being lazy. In real life or in game, if you're lazy, you better have a lot of connections, otherwise, you will get dropped: either fired, beaten up, or game wise kicked out. I don't want to see another potentially good MMO submit to the lazy and become a laughing stock like some of it's predecessors have. Take this player's advice and actually learn to give a care.

[Ooshima]

Can anyone come up with a good reason why you guys are so hard up about having a Story Mode Coil, for the sake of players enjoying the story line, in game?

Every of the primals have their own story mode. With the exception of the initial 3 HM Primals which drop weapons and Moogle, all the new story mode primals offers no rewards at all.

What is the damn good reason that players can't have a Story Mode Coil which offers absolutely no reward, just to let players experience the story part of FF14 itself?

Those who want to get the challenge and the gear can proceed with the regular version.

Everyone benefits.

Those who are against Story Mode coil, why do I not see threads about Story Mode primals?


No shit, don't give about how easy T5 is right now with echo etc etc, I'm referring to Story Mode with no rewards. Just like your Levi/Ramuh story mode - players get to see what Levi and Ramuh story is all about. I think it is about right that players get to know it in game too rather than through a recorded youtube video.

The way I read all these responses, I frown upon how huge people think their e-peen is, how bad ass they beat T5 and whatever... I beat T9 weeks ago in Patch 2.2, had my IL110 gear set way before people go gaga over hunts and unlimited sands/oil... but so? Like I said, let everyone have their story stuff in story mode - those who are up for the challenge can proceed with the usual stuff.

[Radacci]

There is already an easy mode, it's called echo and iLevel 110 gears.

No...increasing DPS, increases the problems, in some fights....like T5, T6 and T7.

I wonder, does that imply T5 is difficult for the average player, or is the average player really that bad? It's true echo doesn't help with one-shot mechanics like divebombs (into wall) and twisters, but it's also pathetic how many people don't know how to play their classes.

It's not an issue of elitism; many people who are "stuck" literally do not know how to play their classes. WHMs who spam Cure II through Infirmity and run out of mana before conflag phase ends, SCHs who never Adloquium or Lustrate and think Eos can do everything for them, DPS who hit under 150 DPS (calculated with an abacus and a stopwatch obviously), tanks who can't hold hate - it's a total mess.

The average player is that bad.
Our FC used to help ppl through T5, and our core group had like 20+ wins, and we still wipe more often than not.
We even solo tank, and throw in extra DD, and still dont get down conflags in time (with echo buff too) and then they blame me for not using food...and most of us were ilv100ish...as if ppl hadn't beaten it before echo, in mostly DL gear...

[Barboron]

No...increasing DPS, increases the problems, in some fights....like T5, T6 and T7.

I really don't think increased DPS is the problem exactly, it's more about control. If you have, as a group, high DPS, then you have a range from 0DPS to however high your party can hit. If you have to wait for the boss to perform a move be it conflag, cursed voice, honey glaze etc. then you simply wait and go back to burning down the boss. I guess you could compare it to harmonics. If you do X amount of DPS and it perfectly lines up with the second checkpoint (checkpoint being the conflags etc.) then 2X amount of DPS should push it at the first. That's just a very loose way of looking at it as the numbers might not exactly be whole numbers or perhaps your team has already gotten to the point where you hit the first checkpoint and it's a phase switch.

To summarise: More about control, not so much about high DPS.

[zPanda]

You know what the most interesting paradox about this thread in regards to not only this game but other MMORPG in general is ?

If there wasn't content that 80% of the population couldn't pass, would the 20% of the population who can pass that content even bother playing the game at all ?

Think about it...