How about... an easy mode Coil?

[Zumi]

You can DF T5 with 20% buff and ilvl 110 gear from hunts that is an easy mode.

[Lyrinn]

Even with 20% echo buff, T5 is not easy for the vast majority of people.

I wonder, does that imply T5 is difficult for the average player, or is the average player really that bad? It's true echo doesn't help with one-shot mechanics like divebombs (into wall) and twisters, but it's also pathetic how many people don't know how to play their classes.

It's not an issue of elitism; many people who are "stuck" literally do not know how to play their classes. WHMs who spam Cure II through Infirmity and run out of mana before conflag phase ends, SCHs who never Adloquium or Lustrate and think Eos can do everything for them, DPS who hit under 150 DPS (calculated with an abacus and a stopwatch obviously), tanks who can't hold hate - it's a total mess.

[Taruranto]

Also 2.4 is coming in a month or so.

Watch people wipe to a fight people could do in DL with iLevel 130+ gears!

[Ashkendor]

I wonder, does that imply T5 is difficult for the average player, or is the average player really that bad? It's true echo doesn't help with one-shot mechanics like divebombs (into wall) and twisters, but it's also pathetic how many people don't know how to play their classes.

I really don't know how to answer that. I guess it's kind of academic anyway. I just know that I've done PF's for T5 many many times and I've only cleared the damn thing once. Usually we end up with at least one person that swears they know what they're doing only to wipe us repeatedly at the first divebomb. I'm i107 PLD with 10k+ hps in T5 so it's not like I die easily, yet I've had so many healers that can't keep me standing. Maybe I just have really terrible luck with pugs. It makes me hate PF almost as much as I hate DF.

[Felessan]

But what about people who just want to experience what it's like to actually finish T5 without having to sacrifice their schedules hooking up with elite statics?

Maybe you mixed T9 with T5, as T5 are pretty much unrelated to elite statics now
And T5 already in Easy mode with echo buff and will be moved into Super-Easy mode in 2.4

[Vittorino]

LOL this thread.

[Assirra]

NO NO NO NO.
LFR (what you are asking for basically) is a very bad idea like wow showed.
Sure now you only want to finish the content, next thing people will demand loot cause they pay for this game as well as those "bunch of no lifers who sit at their PC all the time".
Honestly, t5 doesn't require anything that you mentioned. All it requires is a group of people who know the fight. Just make a group in party finder for an easy kill.

[ThomasGallant]

I don't see coil 1-5 getting harder so... (maybe a savage mode? but I doubt they'd remove normal or anything) Only way to go is down.

That said making an "easy" version nor nerfing the instance doesn't seems very likely imo, instead it'll get easier by reason of being able to sneeze and get ilvl 250 gear some point in the future.

Or course I guess they could change it from a "raid" to be a normal instance that people go like "woot my daily coil roulette gone me T5! 5 tomes of Glowing awesome amazingness without even trying!"

But I'm guessing that'd only happen when it gets so old no one ever cares about it.

[Ooshima]

I am actually in for a Story Mode coil that is in conjunction with the actual version of the same tier of coil.

Especially in 2.4

I am pretty sure that for story/lore wise, we will transit to the expansion after 2.5 so both the main story and the coil story will certainly meant something.

I can beat the third coil within 2.4 itself like how I beat second coil within patch 2.2, but that doesn't mean that others may be able to beat it in "catch up patch" aka 2.3/2.5. Need not to say, once we transit to 3.0, 99% of the players wouldn't really give a shit to 3rd coil even if you put it in PF with echo because people will be all busy with the new content in expansion pack.

I don't think it is that difficult. I don't think coil story should be restricted to the so called "elite raiders". We have story mode for all the primals for every single player to enjoy the story, I don't see the reason why everyone isn't allowed to enjoy the coil story either. There is no harm in letting everyone, at least to enjoy the Final Fantasy story.

[Shori]

I would fully support a turn 3 easy mode though. I fail at Sonic the hedgehog.

XD! I'd totaly make the jumps face the wrong way for you. j/k

Only hard(ish) part of first coil is T5 but even then you can get to twisters without guides at least. Give it a few more goes and you'll have it.
even T4 is easy so long as people arent asleep :P