What is a Bard?

[Daeana]

There's only 3 roles in this game
I agree with you completely THERE ARE ONLY 3 ROLES

When you become a bard you don't lose your archer skills, they don't do less damage either. So just because you become a bard doesn't make the archer portion of you less of a dps.
let me try this again
(BRD SKILLS) Meaning the powers you quest for "give you one damage ability" Rain of Death THE REST ARE SUPPORTIVE SKILLS
I THEN SAID GRANTED YOU CAN NOT HAVE ONE WITH OUT THE OTHER "YES ARCHER/BRD CAN PUMP OUT DAMAGE"

Also just because you do not have a damage limit doesn't turn you into a support. Dragoon could have the tank LB, it wouldn't make Dragoons a tank now would it?
Would dragoon be as effect as it is if you put a TANK Limit break on it. AS A DPS CLASS

BRD feels hybrid to me like it doesn't FIT in or belong to DPS

[Daeana]

With only 3 roles I feel that bard doesn't contribute to the "ROLE OF DPS" like other class do. That we are Lacking in your OUTPUT and DPS EFFECTIVENESS do to our skill set that is designed to Protect or SAFEGAURD our Group in What IF situations. I am not against our skills either. I JUST FEEL LIKE I DON'T BELONG to DPS. because of my skill set.

That my design is flawed in a DPS world. BUT I AM THE ONLY CLASS that can do the Supportive skills that I do right now.

[Seaku]

There's only 3 roles in this game
I agree with you completely THERE ARE ONLY 3 ROLES

When you become a bard you don't lose your archer skills, they don't do less damage either. So just because you become a bard doesn't make the archer portion of you less of a dps.
let me try this again
(BRD SKILLS) Meaning the powers you quest for "give you one damage ability" Rain of Death THE REST ARE SUPPORTIVE SKILLS
I THEN SAID GRANTED YOU CAN NOT HAVE ONE WITH OUT THE OTHER "YES ARCHER/BRD CAN PUMP OUT DAMAGE"

Also just because you do not have a damage limit doesn't turn you into a support. Dragoon could have the tank LB, it wouldn't make Dragoons a tank now would it?
Would dragoon be as effect as it is if you put a TANK Limit break on it. AS A DPS CLASS

You can quote me instead of doing all those colour stuff.

You said in your OP and in the post I quoted: "but I feel that we are a Support Role not a DPS"
And my point being no, I do not believe it is Support just because you get two support songs. Bard is dps, who has support abilities. This does not make it a support.

Also yes, a dragoon doesn't suddenly become less of a DPS because it no longer has a melee limit. Almost all comparisons to dps as well as how effective they are never incorporate the LB. As long as one person in the raid has the LB necessary for your strategy it doesn't matter who wields it. It certainly doesn't define the class.

BRD feels hybrid to me like it doesn't FIT in or belong to DPS.
That my design is flawed in a DPS world. BUT I AM THE ONLY CLASS that can do the Supportive skills that I do right now.

Why is it flawed? Bards do damage, they do it well. So if that's the case and even by your own admission they can, how does this stop you from being a DPS class?
Also every class has some sort of support ability, you might not notice it but it's there. Monk has one that's always active (Dragon Kick) and one used for important heal phases (Mantra), you end up seeing that used more often than Bard songs. That doesn't make them a support role or 'flawed in a DPS world'. Think what you may, Bard is rightly categorized as a DPS and will continue being so in the Expansion as Yoshi has already said they aren't moving away from the 3 role system just yet.

[Daeana]

Seaku my appoliges I used the color coordination because when I went to post I wasn't letting me Post due to amount of words.

When a Mnk uses mantra does it lower there damage output while it is active.
Drg/Mnk LB can do upward of 10% killing power in a single blow.

now in duty finder or roulette. in 4 man group 1 tank 2 bards and a healer. WHERE IS YOUR DPS limit break. seeing how you have TWO DPS classes. it is a mechanic of the game.

What other classes LOWER YOUR DPS perform a Job skill. TANK when the intiate there defensive stance.

Dragon Kick= DEBUFF Reduces target's blunt resistance and INT by 10%. So yes similar to Foe Requime Reduces all enemy elemental resistance by 10%

and I know full well what Yoshi P's direction is because I read letters from the producers as quickly as I come out.

[RinchanNau]

I don't want to get too into it as I've got sleeping to do. But to answer your question about what other DPS jobs have support skills that lower their DPS?

I will point out an obvious one since I recently switched to SMN main. Battle res lowers SMN DPS. In an extended fight you may be forced to use more energy drains instead of fester if you need to res. And if you don't have swiftcast up for it that is another major DPS loss.

We done yet? Every DPS job has support skills.

[orbital3000]

Why can't it be a hybrid? I've just started as ARC after main as PLD with some time as a healer. ARC definitely doesn't feel like a support role right now. Just kick back, shoot things, don't worry about anyone else in the party. Which is in stark contrast to tanking/healing where you're worrying about everyone else AND yourself. It's like a holiday from all the stress of PLD - but I digress

I'm still early-game though... I expect the "support" aspect to become more prevalent as I go on, but nothing like tank/healer where the entire party's success depends on your ability to support it.

[Ooshima]

I don't want to get too into it as I've got sleeping to do. But to answer your question about what other DPS jobs have support skills that lower their DPS?

I will point out an obvious one since I recently switched to SMN main. Battle res lowers SMN DPS. In an extended fight you may be forced to use more energy drains instead of fester if you need to res. And if you don't have swiftcast up for it that is another major DPS loss.

We done yet? Every DPS job has support skills.

Let me add one more - PLD, as an OT in instances where it could be generally solo'd or no forced swap mechanics, is also pretty much of a support role.

Look at Twintania. Even before Echo and stuff, it can be solo tank'd. So what is the PLD for?

For the stun-lock and maybe a dmg soak whore for the adds and hatch. But more of the stun-lock, the only Job in the game capable of a stun-lock.

Does this make PLD a support job, or a support-tank job?


Oh yeah, SE took away my Rain of Death's 10% damage reduction (AoE attack) and gave it to WAR (became single target).

Does this make me less of a support DPS and WAR some sort of support tank too?

[Hybris-Maenad]

Look at all of the descriptions of your skills, abilities and cc skills. THAT is a bard.

Look at the color of your placeholder in a party, red. THAT is your job.

You do have the unique ability to top off mp and tp to bad groups that need it (outside of very select instances in coil). In 95% of content, proper cooldown usage and the ability to dodge avoidable damage will leave bards with nothing else to sing but foes.

I see the LB as an act of balancing classes. It increases the desirability to bring in melee classes in high movement fights and gives the party a slight chance to recoup when both healers die.

Bard has some "Oh S***" abilities, but that's only for parties that are s*** to begin with.

[Madykazu]

The way I see it, BRD is just a different style of dps from MNK and LNC. It is mobile, safe, freeform, and unrelenting. Want to fire off all your skills from the flank, rear or front? Whatevs, do it. MNK and LNC don't exactly have that option if they want to keep up their numbers. Boss doing AOE that won't be interrupted? I'll be over here still firing arrows. BRDs also don't have set rotations or combo skills the likes of MNK, so messing up isn't punished as harshly dps-wise. Lastly, BRDs are constantly dealing damage. Constantly. A BRD can theoretically attack twice as often with BL procs. Combining all these traits together makes BRD more versatile and newb-friendly than the other physical dps classes. As for the limit break, it makes sense to me that it doesn't do damage. BRD isn't a bursty type of class and canonically it doesn't fit with the BRD image. I do think it should be some kind of a buff, but I can understand why SE wouldn't want to give BRD it's own unique LB.

[Daeana]

First off I would like to apologise if at any point I have come off as Nasty with my posts. It is very hard at times to read and understand some one else thoughs and feelings. And if I have taken your post out of context I do apologise for that as well.

For those of you that where evidently Nice and precise in conveying your information and thoughts. I truly appreciate it.

In my first post I stated
"Are we really considered DPS. I know we can put out good damage. but I feel that we are a Support Role not a DPS."

madykazu Thankyou for your post. I like the way it is worded and it conveying message.
I feel that we have a different style of DPS as well. I agree that the limit break of DPS doesn't FIT the MO of the bard, because conventionally there a SUPPORT Class.

Hence why I also stated in my rant though out this that I feel like we are HYBRID.