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    Quote Originally Posted by monochromicorn View Post
    the only time you should have a problem with hate is if the tank is bad.
    Ignorance is bliss.

    If you didn't have threat issues during t9 progression, you didn't do it without 110 weapons and 3 months of drops/soldiery gear.

    Which is more like digression from the topic (full potential) than progression. Go back in time and do it when your item levels are 93- 96 then talk to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Staris View Post
    Ignorance is bliss.

    If you didn't have threat issues during t9 progression, you didn't do it without 110 weapons and 3 months of drops/soldiery gear.

    Which is more like digression from the topic (full potential) than progression. Go back in time and do it when your item levels are 93- 96 then talk to me.
    This is very true.
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    Part of being a WHM is to realize that people will die and it will probably be your fault and there is nothing you can do about it. Just raise, and hope you get to the point where weakness wears off. There is also the part where you will not clear content, and it will totally be your fault. Case in point being Ifrit Ex. That fight is a problem for healers, and despite clearing it a few times, I'm still dizzy on that fight. My attention lapses for 5 seconds and bam - the tank is dead. The tank abruptly leaves the instance, and I feel my stomach tighten. And then the domino effect of everyone leaving one by one without anything being said and my stomach becomes a knot. Ugh. To pull off the "amazing" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bB_MAO5yPw8, is usually a fluke, and not something I would say any healer is a capable of pulling off whenever. You can desensitize yourself to any particular content by doing it over and over again so there will be no more "oh shit" moments for you, but to think that when those moments arise, and you're at the point in your healing career where you have a backpack full "save the day" tricks and potions, don't bother pulling them out, cause Titan just 180'd and now he's about to Mountain Buster you.
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    Last edited by Brianmj; 08-22-2014 at 07:53 AM.

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    Sterrmann Opf'goht
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brianmj View Post
    Part of being a WHM is to realize that people will die and it will probably be your fault and there is nothing you can do about it. Just raise, and hope you get to the point where weakness wears off. There is also the part where you will not clear content, and it will totally be your fault. Case in point being Ifrit Ex. That fight is a problem for healers, and despite clearing it a few times, I'm still dizzy on that fight. My attention lapses for 5 seconds and bam - the tank is dead. The tank abruptly leaves the instance, and I feel my stomach tighten. And then the domino effect of everyone leaving one by one without anything being said and my stomach becomes a knot. Ugh.
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    OMG, hahaha.To think that the majority of my post conjures up such sentiment so succinctly is... not good. Oh Shrek, your values have screwed me over for the worse.
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    Last edited by Brianmj; 08-22-2014 at 08:38 AM.

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    Crit makes Cure into a Cure II and Medica into a wide area Cure III. Not only do you save MP when you score a crit but you also save a GCD in any situation where you would have needed to chain Cures. That GCD saved can then be turned into time for DPSing or applying Stoneskin or what have you. As Zerato said, you don't rely on crit just as a SCH doesn't rely on Adlo crits, you simply react and adjust accordingly.

    And on the topic of overhealing, unless you do something stupid like a Medica or Cure II at the very start of a fight and it crits, your tank should still have no problem holding hate with equal gear. If he does, go find a better tank.
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    Personally, the order I put stats for WHM, is Piety > DET - SS > Crit

    Crit is not a terrible stat on WHM, and those saying as much are misguided. However it isn't dependable either and you can largely make up for a lack of Crit with strong Det builds that have full dependency.

    A lot of DET can also turn a Cure I into something rivaling a "Cure II" and it's more dependable.

    SS, largely is closer to the core of a WHM of being a strong AoE healer. Being able to cast two very potent AoE heals within the time of casting one heal with a chance of very high potency and which being better, is largely determined by the fight in question.

    Fights like Titan HM or EX or Leviathan/ Ramuh, SS has a stronger weight then Crit because you have a lot of continuous damage going around to everyone.

    However fights like T6 and T9, where damage is more focused on one target, Crit picks up quite a lot and does have a slight edge over SS as a third stat.

    I also never quite understood this argument of over-healing, and that being the reason why you shouldn't get Crit. I've tested all of the WHM builds back in the day even when things like Titan HM/EX were solo healed. If your pulling Aggro, one of three things is true.

    Either :

    A) Your just spamming big heals (Medicas) for no reason.

    B) Your tank is just really bad. You don't need a superb weapon to hold aggro from a smart healer. However if your healer is not being mindful of there aggro, theres really nothing a tank can do about that. You can have a tank with full 110, and a healer being stupid with heals can still pull aggro if allowed. If your pulling aggro from using Cure I or Cure II, that's either a very undergeared tank, or a very bad one.

    C) Your not properly memorizing fights and using Shroud of Saints to the best of it's ability.

    Piety after a certain point is also useless with proper use of Shroud of Saints. We don't run into raids with 0 bards. You will have a Ballad whether you directly need it, our your other healer does, or your SMN does. To cap Peity simply because it's good for sustainment, while true, is not an overbearing difference when you have a Bard in your party. It's not to say this shouldn't be your strongest stat because it should in your builds on a WHM, but to sacrifice everything for it, I don't think is a solid strategy either where you have opportunities for more potent heals. If your looking to Solo heal everything in the game forever and always, then yeah Piety should be capped. However, your largely always gonna have a ballad and a second healer in the mix unless your running some unorthodox method.
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    Last edited by Havenchild; 08-28-2014 at 05:15 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havenchild View Post
    I also never quite understood this argument of over-healing, and that being the reason why you shouldn't get Crit. I've tested all of the WHM builds back in the day even when things like Titan HM/EX were solo healed. If your pulling Aggro, one of three things is true.
    Most of your comment holds merit. The whole reason why crit should not be a stat to aimed for because of overhealing is not for enmity generation reasons. Overhealing, although it never killed anyone, is useless healing and thus effectively turning the bonus recovery gained from crit less valuable, if not complete void. Hate should never or rarely be an issue unless you're like 20 ilvls above the tank. Piety (like every other stat) loses it's value when overstacked: Unspend MP is useless MP. Banking up "just in case" is fine, but finishing the fight with 3k MP is 3k MP not spend. A healthy balance of determination and piety is key.

    Plenty of topics were made in the past concerning piety vs det. But then again, who uses the search function. To make it easy:

    http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...e-Mage-BiS-2.3
    http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ng-Suggestions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Havenchild View Post
    Personally, the order I put stats for WHM, is Piety > DET - SS > Crit

    Crit is not a terrible stat on WHM, and those saying as much are misguided. However it isn't dependable either and you can largely make up for a lack of Crit with strong Det builds that have full dependency.

    A lot of DET can also turn a Cure I into something rivaling a "Cure II" and it's more dependable.

    SS, largely is closer to the core of a WHM of being a strong AoE healer. Being able to cast two very potent AoE heals within the time of casting one heal with a chance of very high potency and which being better, is largely determined by the fight in question.

    Fights like Titan HM or EX or Leviathan/ Ramuh, SS has a stronger weight then Crit because you have a lot of continuous damage going around to everyone.

    However fights like T6 and T9, where damage is more focused on one target, Crit picks up quite a lot and does have a slight edge over SS as a third stat.

    I also never quite understood this argument of over-healing, and that being the reason why you shouldn't get Crit. I've tested all of the WHM builds back in the day even when things like Titan HM/EX were solo healed. If your pulling Aggro, one of three things is true.

    Either :

    A) Your just spamming big heals (Medicas) for no reason.

    B) Your tank is just really bad. You don't need a superb weapon to hold aggro from a smart healer. However if your healer is not being mindful of there aggro, theres really nothing a tank can do about that. You can have a tank with full 110, and a healer being stupid with heals can still pull aggro if allowed. If your pulling aggro from using Cure I or Cure II, that's either a very undergeared tank, or a very bad one.

    C) Your not properly memorizing fights and using Shroud of Saints to the best of it's ability.

    Piety after a certain point is also useless with proper use of Shroud of Saints. We don't run into raids with 0 bards. You will have a Ballad whether you directly need it, our your other healer does, or your SMN does. To cap Peity simply because it's good for sustainment, while true, is not an overbearing difference when you have a Bard in your party. It's not to say this shouldn't be your strongest stat because it should in your builds on a WHM, but to sacrifice everything for it, I don't think is a solid strategy either where you have opportunities for more potent heals. If your looking to Solo heal everything in the game forever and always, then yeah Piety should be capped. However, your largely always gonna have a ballad and a second healer in the mix unless your running some unorthodox method.
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    Someone here is a spelling nazi. x_x

    Here is how to do it and actually be constructive:
    The lesson is that whatever you could be saying "You are", the right word is the contraction "you're". "Your", by contrast, is mostly possessive.
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