I need SMN help! (Rotations, point allowance)

[Malusion]

Snip

That's a differentiation because I was writing in a hurry before leaving for a flight, and accidentally wrote Ifrit opening rotation instead, hence why I left Miasma 2 out, not to mention forgetting a GCD entirely, obviously both will have as many GCDs available in total on the rotation, seeing as both put off GCD stuff next to instant casts.. I should have written:

Bio 1 -> Bio 2 -> Miasma -> Fester -> Swiftcast Shadowflare -> Ruin -> Miasma 2 -> Bio -> Fester -> Contagion -> Ruin

I should account for the difference of a full bio with raging strikes duration compared to a ruin, though, but as I am currently away from the computer that can actually run the game I am unable to do anything in depth. For a while my ability to even remain on the internet will be limited, so I'll have to just drop the discussion entirely for now.

[Mjytresz]

30 points in Intel
Cast DoTs
Cast Fester
Is Fester off CD? Fester again
Are DoTs about to wear off? Reapply
Spam Ruin

Now you're a professional.

[Dwill]

30 points in Intel
Cast DoTs
Cast Fester
Is Fester off CD? Fester again
Are DoTs about to wear off? Reapply
Spam Ruin

Now you're a professional.

Nice attempt at cleverness.

Should read as "Now you're the run of the mill summoner that's near the bottom of the meter."

[Ardan]

30 points in Intel
Cast DoTs
Cast Fester
Is Fester off CD? Fester again
Are DoTs about to wear off? Reapply
Spam Ruin

Now you're a professional.

The day you give helpful advice to new SMNs is the same day I become the Pope. If you can't give constructive tips don't even bother posting.

On topic: My rotation to start fights is this:

Raging Strikes > Bio 2 > Miasma > Bio > Fester > Contaion > Swiftcast Shadow Flare > Rouse > Ruin II > Spur > Ruin II > Enkindle > Fester

Refresh DoTs as necessary and recast Shadowflare when it's down. Weave Ruin II before Festers for extra damage when MP allows it. Use Rouse/Spur when they're ready, save them if the enemy will be off screen and can't be damaged.

[Puwarh]

I think start with Bio1 is a bit lost because it cast instance and you would have to wait for GCD after that but if you cast bio2 or miasma before you can instance cast bio1. So for the 3 main dots I would prefer Bio2>Miasma>Bio1 that should save you 1.5 sec. Anyway Bio2 before miasma or miasma before bio2 is still controversy to me because miasma and bio2 have the same damage at the start but if is situation where adds not allow to claw from point A to B, I would but miasma up first since it can slow adds then bio2

And SCH can put out a very nice damage too in not oh-shit moment with Cleric stance too, if you pay attention only for DoT things around. So if you would like to go full SMN you have to study to make use of garuda and fester 2 things that make SMN do seriously more damage than SCH

Ruin2 has high MP consumption but as I playing around with ruin 2 and manage AF I find It's not really the problem at all, you would finish the dungeon with 3/4 mp left or 1/4 left is really not to be worried, but if the fight dragging for very long you may considered Ruin1 instated. Anyway the real advantage of Ruin2 is mobility since it has no cast time you can run around like ADHD kid (and like those BRD, too) and it's a ruin of choice when it comes to very high mobility fight like Titan

The skill that would drain your mp more quickly would be blizzard2 when you use on mob because we don't have the mp recharger stacks like BLM so you would like to use it in moderation (may still manageable even you just spam them out).

Another thing is about Fester. Fester CD is 10 secs but your AF will come every 1 mins so, you may want to do some managing on this too, or you will be run out of stack with 30 sec to wait. If you find that your target would die in less than 15-20 secs after your first feaster, you may consider not to use fester again on that target and in some fight you have to spam fester as much as possible like the meteor fall in ST last boss The most feaster you can spam out will be 6 if the AF cool down complete without using any stack.

And all this may not make you "king summoner the great" but would make you life a bit easier. You may find more things out in the field so call out your pet, try kick some asses and may be you would make a better SMN than anybody else!

[Zoeila]

i just started testing this but i'm curious why more people dont use potent poison pots in their rotation? or at least in specialized situations. i include miasma 2 in my rotation when contagion is up so i already have to get close and it fills the gap between bio and miasma 2. plus its 50 dmg/tic and is effected by contagion and off gcd.

[Havenchild]

i just started testing this but i'm curious why more people dont use potent poison pots in their rotation? or at least in specialized situations. i include miasma 2 in my rotation when contagion is up so i already have to get close and it fills the gap between bio and miasma 2. plus its 50 dmg/tic and is effected by contagion and off gcd.

I use them on certain single target boss fights. But I didn't feel it was worth mentioning in a skill rotation. It is largely only beneficial on mobs with high HP, as the pot scales with the HP of the mob it's used on. The best time I would say to use it is after a Miasma II.

On topic: My rotation to start fights is this:

Raging Strikes > Bio 2 > Miasma > Bio > Fester > Contaion > Swiftcast Shadow Flare > Rouse > Ruin II > Spur > Ruin II > Enkindle > Fester

Use Rouse/Spur when they're ready, save them if the enemy will be off screen and can't be damaged Edit: or AoE situations ex. Dreadnaught or Ghost of Meracydia - T8/T9

You can fit in Miasma II before that contagion and it shouldn't affect anything else, as well as get a Ruin 2 off before losing Raging Strikes after that second Fester. You will need slightly over 400 SS though for sure.

The strongest opening rotation for a single target is:

Rotation 1: Raging Strikes > Intelligence Pot (if using) > Bio 2 (During this cast make sure to set up Auto-Attack on enemy) > Miasma > Bio > Fester > Miasma II > Contagion > Swiftcast Shadow Flare > Rouse > Ruin II > Spur > Ruin II > Enkindle > Fester > Ruin II (Raging Strikes Falls off)

or:

Rotation 2: Raging Strikes > Intelligence Pot (if using) > Bio 2 (During this cast make sure to set up Auto-Attack on enemy) > Miasma > Bio > Rouse > Fester > Miasma II > Potent Poison Potion (If using) > Contagion > Swiftcast Shadow Flare > Spur > Ruin II > Enkindle > Ruin II > Fester > Ruin II (Raging Strikes Falls off)

The problem is Rouse. If you want to make sure everything is up & you want that last Ruin II, you need to use Rouse immediately after Bio then change the ending after Shadow Flare to -> Spur -> Ruin II -> Enkindle -> Ruin II -> Fester -> Ruin II, otherwise you'll struggle to get that last Ruin II off, if you use a poison pot.

If you don't use a poison pot then, use rotation 1.

If you do, use rotation 2.

If there's a close by AoE situation like the first Dread on T8 or the dragon right after the first heavensfall, it would be best to pluck out Rouse/Spur/ Enkindle in that opening rotation and use those in a following rotation between Ruin II's.

[Ardan]

Snip.

Bah, I forgot to put in Miasma II. I use it with Contagion, I swear. :x

[Mjytresz]

The day you give helpful advice to new SMNs is the same day I become the Pope. If you can't give constructive tips don't even bother posting.

On topic: My rotation to start fights is this:

Raging Strikes > Bio 2 > Miasma > Bio > Fester > Contaion > Swiftcast Shadow Flare > Rouse > Ruin II > Spur > Ruin II > Enkindle > Fester

Refresh DoTs as necessary and recast Shadowflare when it's down. Weave Ruin II before Festers for extra damage when MP allows it. Use Rouse/Spur when they're ready, save them if the enemy will be off screen and can't be damaged.

Pot, meet kettle.

Want good advice? Main BLM.
Oh wait, I must've forgotten that no dungeon, instance, or trial has trash mobs that take up more than half the run.

[Skeith-Adeline]

...? What's wrong with maining BLM? Not dropping under 400 is fine for a BLM lol

Anywhoo, I'm trying to memorize the rotations and this is my rotation at the moment. They aren't optimal, but the Ps4 isn't friendly towards Pet hotbars

Bio 2, Miasma, Bio, Rouse, Contagion, Fester, Swiftcast Shadow Flare, Reapplying all DoTs, Fester, Ruin 2, Rouse, Enkindle.

My Raging Strikes doesn't last because I fumble everythign around. Remember, I started using SMN AFTER I reached level 50 so I have much to learn.