Difference between Elementals and Sprites (1.0 to 2.0)

**Enkidoh** · 01-29-2015 10:17 AM

If you're up to the level 35 WHM quest then you would have seen elementals long before then - two show up during the level 25 CNJ class quest fight to assist you in the battle. But as Moose has stated, although the elemental power over the Black Shroud has weakened considerably due to the Calamity, it is still an extremely potent and dangerous force that could claim the lives of everyone who resides there. The only 'dark underbelly' of Gridania is the illegal poaching and hunting going on, and most that is done by desperate people who were refused permission to live within.

Everything that Gridania's government does, has to be run past the elementals first - ultimately they're the ones who have the final say. And, as shown in the video Moose linked, a seemingly innocuous action like burning a tree down can soon change one's mind about whether the elementals exist or not (as Krhimm found out the hard way.

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**Kaiser-Ace** · 01-29-2015 11:33 AM

I didn't see any elementals in the 25 CNJ quest. I saw 3 corrupted sprites that I had to purify with the assistance of Sylphie. Then Sylphie and I blasted that voidsent back to the 7th hell with our Conjury at Lvl 30.

But as you stated, the poachers are doing whats needed to survive. They face a paradox, poach and MAYBE be killed by the elementals or don't and DEFINITELY starve to death in the Twelves Wood. So I really don't see that as malevolent as the attempts by the monetarists to usurp the rule of Nannamo who is one of the only people that actually cares what happens to Ul'dah's people.

I'm currently under the idea that most people, Kan'E Senna, her Siblings, and E'sumi being amongst them, are genuinely trying to protect all the people of the Twelves Wood by maintaining peace with the supernatural beings that could destroy them all with one temper tantrum. What I'm more concerned about is how many Gridanians are actually using the "Laws" as an excuse to abuse their power and authority?

Maybe there aren't any but I've seen a few already that are very questionable in their reasonings to turn away outsiders. Buscarion actually maintains peace (For lack of a better word) with the Claw and Redbelly poachers AND doesn't seem to be out of line with the Wood Wailers or Elementals. So it stands to reason that there's some personal prejudice that may be invoking banishment that has nothing to do with the elementals. Thus the BIG question, what exactly ARE the elemental's "Laws" since the hearers are the only ones that can communicate with them. And how many of Gridania's Laws were written that have nothing to do with the elementals and are simply harsh for the sake of "Purity of the Woods"?

**Enkidoh** · 01-29-2015 12:25 PM

Oh, those elementals were definitely there - but then, I did that fight as a level 25 CNJ so it was far harder (and thus, the battle took much longer, thus the elementals that appear in that fight probably only appear in the fight if you don't defeat the enemy within a certain length of time). But they definitely appeared, as seen in the screenshot below (I apologize for the poor image - one green (wind?) elemental can barely be seen in the distance on the left partially obscured by the treant's limb, while the other blue (water?) one can be quite clearly seen to the right (near the minimap - I didn't have time to minimize the GUI when I took this screenshot):

**Kaiser-Ace** · 01-29-2015 12:38 PM

Oh I did remember seeing one then. For like.... half a second before my lvl 29 conjuror Stone 2ed it's last health point. I was more than a little OP for that fight. >_> Especially having all the Arcanist and Thaumaturge Cross Skills by then. Swiftcast and Virus really helped beat that tree down.

I had enough time to think "Wtf is that fairy thing?" then the Trent died and I was like "Huh, guess it doesn't really matter now."

Btw, when did you take that screen shot? I can't use Thunder 1 as any thing but a Thaumaturge and Black Mage now. (I vaguely recall being able to in Beta, and early 2.0)

**Enkidoh** · 01-29-2015 12:47 PM

Yeah, that was taken way back in September 2013, when Thunder could be cross-classed by ACN/SMN and CNJ/WHM - it was removed as a cross-class ability (becoming THM/BLM only) in the 2.1 patch in December 2013 and replaced as cross-classable with Blizzard II. So that shows you how old that screenshot is.

**Kaiser-Ace** · 01-29-2015 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by Enkidoh

Yeah, that was taken way back in September 2013, when Thunder could be cross-classed by ACN/SMN and CNJ/WHM - it was removed as a cross-class ability (becoming THM/BLM only) in the 2.1 patch in December 2013 and replaced as cross-classable with Blizzard II. So that shows you how old that screenshot is.

Dang. But to be fair, having that many DoTs would have made Conjuror Waaaaaaay OP in The Wolves' Den. And I still do an insane amount of DPS as a WHM with my "Chain Spell" technique, even with out cleric. (I hate Cleric Stance BTW. It gimps Scholar and White Mage and THE ONLY class that could properly benefit from it is Summoner. And it can't even cross Cleric Stance.)

**Nialle** · 01-29-2015 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by Enkidoh

The only 'dark underbelly' of Gridania is the illegal poaching and hunting going on, and most that is done by desperate people who were refused permission to live within.

Also their rampant anti-Duskwight racism. ;P

**Baithin** · 01-30-2015 04:57 AM

Elementals DO exist outside of the Black Shroud, don't they? They're just not as strong or as part of everyone's lives (and Hearers probably can't communicate with them as easily). I thought the sprite enemies confirmed this.

**myahele** · 01-30-2015 06:35 AM

Originally Posted by Baithin

Elementals DO exist outside of the Black Shroud, don't they? They're just not as strong or as part of everyone's lives (and Hearers probably can't communicate with them as easily). I thought the sprite enemies confirmed this.

Yes that's what a towa cant did, he traveled the world to commune with elementals till he got killed by kobolts. I think the elementals around the world are just significantly weak and unable to manifest themselves/their will. Even if they did they'll be killed on the spot, believing them to be some good sent creature.

**Anonymoose** · 01-30-2015 07:21 AM

Originally Posted by Baithin

Elementals DO exist outside of the Black Shroud, don't they?

If the hearers are to be believed, they exist in everything. During the fall of the Sixth Astral Era, one was even able to "commune with the elementals" within a sheet of paper and the ink upon it to divine a small amount of information about who once carried it. Less intriguing but more concrete, in 1.0, elementals existed all over the place, natively, dependent on the dominant elements in an area; water and lightning elementals within Cassieopea Hollow in La Noscea, for instance. (I miss you, open-world cave zones... <pours some rolanberry red on the ground>)

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