Miqo'te Male/Female Relations and Views on Marriage

[myahele]

I've noticed alot more male seeker npcs (excluding the important ones I've seen random one at wolves den, a calamity salvager, one @ rogues guild, etc) so it seems like seeker males atleast branch out of their tribes to either be adventurers or city dwellers, perhaps partially not being strong enough to be a Nunh or just out learning skills/strength for the tribe.

As for keepers I can count 3: Couerl King, a nameless member of the Crytal braves (seen in 2.4 story quest) and then one @ the beast tribe quest. Still, these keepers seem more like outliers.

[myahele]

Well the delivery moogle quest was a nice treasure trove for seeker lore!

Seems like monagamy is not practiced much -if at all- amongst traditional seekers. They remind me of elephant's social structure.

[Sprilly20]

From my understanding one difference is seeker tribes are smaller and more nomadic. So it's probably much more common for them to get married individually. I know among a lot of the RP player base the seekers, specifically the A tribe have quite a lot of inbreeding to keep the tribe pure and because they have SO many there are a lot of mates to choose from/ I find it a lot easier to get into the whole marriage mindset playing a keeper, but I'll turn my inner RPer off now

[LineageRazor]

For those who haven't seen the new Coeurlclaw delivery quest "The Past is a Story We Never Tell" (and don't plan to), here's some spoilers for it, related to the topic of this thread:

Keeper Mauh Lihzeh, whose sister Urha Lihzeh is a member of the Coeurlclaws, expresses distress at the unnatural way the Coeurl King stays in one place, luring Keeper women away from their families and forming an enormous and unnatural "family" with himself as lord and master. She explains that the proper behavior of a Keeper male is that of a wanderer, traveling the world and only dallying briefly with the women he meets during his travels.

Among Keepers, for a male to settle down with a single woman, or for a woman to settle down with a single man is unusual, possibly even perverse and socially offensive. Mauh is clearly very upset by the notion - but then, given that her sister is one of the women in the King's thrall, she may not be the most level-headed or open-minded on the topic...

At any rate, it looks as though Keeper males can barely be considered part of the family unit at all. The term "glorified sperm donor" comes to mind. Maybe not even all that glorified... It's pretty much an entire race populated by one-night stands.

[Shadygrove]

How I play it:

Keepers have small extended families. Several mature females, one or more males, exogamy practiced, probably to keep inbreeding away. In a recent post moogle quest a Keeper thinks that her Couerlclaw sister mating with one male, the Couerlclaw king, is unnatural.

Keeper adventures, male or female, are likely to shed extended family bonds.

Seeker tribes may have an alpha female. She is at the top of the sisterhood of the tribe, not necessarily the nunh's favorite or wife. If married to the nunh, she will expect him to sow his seed among her tribe sisters, even selecting promising matches.

Seeker adventures maintain tribal links. Seeker tias wish to become wise & strong enough to challenge nunhs or form their own tribe. Dominant seeker females test themselves to see if they are worthy of being alpha, keeping an eye out for unattached nunhs and promising tias. Beta seeker females are no less fierce, nor lesser hunters. They simply lack the desire to lead.

[Shadygrove]

Darnit 1k character limit.

My RPing Seeker alt, W'chan Nanya of Jenova. will marry her nunh on Sat. Jan 3, time TBA. If any would like to attend, even making a Jenova alt to do so, seek her or W'bhen Nunh out and ask for an invite.

It would be wise to start a character who is just going to attend the ceremony in Gridania.

[Velox]

Eh, I think this is only partly true. I don't think it was the act of a male settling down that's unnatural. I think what disturbed her was the fact that a male was the head of a household (harem), which is essentially Keeper culture. Seekers and Keepers value completely different cultures, and would easily find the opposite extremely offensive. We do know that some Keeper males do settle down (there's a quest in South Shroud that explained how multiple females can have a "breeding male) so it's not unusual. If the delivery quest did anything, it was to confirm our fears that males are second-class citizens (sorry RPers, time to modify those characters). Most probably become "wanderers" simply because they have limited options for stability in life. They are only needed for sex, and have no other value. Even the ones that do settle down are probably under full control of the women and once their usefulness has ended they are sent on their merry way.

[Haprimac]

Seekers and Keepers value completely different cultures, and would easily find the opposite extremely offensive.

I also think this is more likely the case.

Even the naming conventions alone support this. Keepers take names after mothers:
son (mother's forename + how manieth son they are)/daughter + mother's surname.
While Seekers take their surnames after fathers: daughter of nunh's forename.

[treuhavik]

They are only needed for sex, and have no other value. Even the ones that do settle down are probably under full control of the women and once their usefulness has ended they are sent on their merry way.

A sad life...

"What's that, you're pregnate? Awww Ok, I guess I'll go be some other chicks' sex-slave now. Poor me..."

Please. Keeper men have it made.

I almost feel bad for the Coeurl King, he never learned that you can't lay it down your very best every time. He's obviously got some skill, but now he's stuck with them all.

Yeah...I'll keep to the road, tyvm.

[TheodoreMcIntyre]

A sad life...

"What's that, you're pregnate? Awww Ok, I guess I'll go be some other chicks' sex-slave now. Poor me..."

Please. Keeper men have it made.

I feel like just maybe this is the opinion of somebody who has never been used for sex before.