Invisible walls are a bit overboard.

[Surian]

Well, there's some fairly strange things though. It honestly feels like a rush-job.

Middle La Noscea for instance has rivers flowing through it, you can use the bridge or go through the rivers to the other side. nothing the matter, and you get a large playfield that way.

North Shroud on the other hand. There's rivers flowing through there too, not even deep ones, but no, you have to use the bridge even though you could have easily crossed through the water. Essentially cutting off large parts of the map turning them into funnels.

I had absolutely zero problems with 1.0's map. So what if they copy'd a lot of things, unless you were up close and you were really looking for it, you never would have noticed.
(And people say that like it's some great sin, there's not a game or MMO around that doesnt re-use pieces of land or models in it)

I much prefer 1.0's maps over the whole roads with a few meters of land on each side that we have now. I certainly never noticed any of the stuff being copy'd, and unless someone specifically pointed it out to you, nor did you.

The only people who complained about that were people who didnt enjoy the game and were looking for something to blame. Where-as the original combat system that people found terrible and demanded to be changed (Twice!) because they kept having to press 1-2-3 is in general terms equal to the one we have now that people absolutely love. So i dont understand people anymore.

[Verranicus]

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As someone who played XI for years, no, the only people who complained about the large and lifeless maps were not looking for something to blame. I adored my time with XI, but going from it to early WoW was like a splahs of ice water to the face. I saw that zones could have personality beyond "grassland zone a, b c", "desert zone", "snow zone" like XI and XIV 1.0 had. It didn't just have to be an endless field with the same hills and mountains and ponds copy and pasted everywhere.

You sound like one of those folks who thinks 1.0 was actually good, which unlike my statement that the zones were empty, is factually wrong. If it wasn't, why would 2.0 exist?

[Surian]

As someone who played XI for years, no, the only people who complained about the large and lifeless maps were not looking for something to blame. I adored my time with XI, but going from it to early WoW was like a splahs of ice water to the face. I saw that zones could have personality beyond "grassland zone a, b c", "desert zone", "snow zone" like XI and XIV 1.0 had. It didn't just have to be an endless field with the same hills and mountains and ponds copy and pasted everywhere.


You sound like one of those folks who thinks 1.0 was actually good, which unlike my statement that the zones were empty, is factually wrong. If it wasn't, why would 2.0 exist?

1.0 WAS good. It's the meaningless updates after updates that slowly killed it and drained the life out of it. Battle systems getting completely revamped into something totally unworkable, huge nerfs left and right with the removal of physical levels, spell MP costs and weapon damage and defense and the fact that they didnt also change the monsters go to along with our massive power-nerfs.

1.0 was GREAT. By the time they got to 1.23, all the good things they started out with were long since removed from the game up to the point where they actually had to shut the servers down because it had become utterly unplayable.

So it's not 1.0 that is the reason why we have 2.0, it's 1.23 and the pointless changes for the sake of being diffirent and listening to entitled a-holes with "suggestions". Please get your facts straight.

[WinterSolstice]

1.0 WAS good. It's the meaningless updates after updates that slowly killed it and drained the life out of it.

Oh gods. First we get a huge influx in "1.23 was amazing" people, and now we have people like you that actually have the audacity to say to 1.0 was good? I do not think "good" means what you think it means.

1.0 was the biggest flop I've ever seen, and for good reason. 1.0 had nothing, and anyone who says otherwise is a troll or a fool. SE didn't even provide a decent way to download or update the game, you had to torrent the updates and apply them yourself. There is a reason that the vast majority of the player-base quit the game before their first month was even over.

[Tupsi]

Oh gods. First we get a huge influx in "1.23 was amazing" people, and now we have people like you that actually have the audacity to say to 1.0 was good?

Sorry to burst your bubble but quite a lot of ARR is still utilizing concepts introduced in 1.0 and the few updates shortly after, so the fact a lot of the foundation systems in ARR are 1.0 systems, he is correct - 1.0 was good, the concept in itself was amazing. The issue was it being unfinished and pushed out despite the director/producer saying it wasn't ready.

Also, don't say something like this:

I do not think "good" means what you think it means.

Good is subjective. You may like ink spaghetti and say it's good, I can say it's the most disgusting thing to ever exist.

[Velthice]

Sorry to burst your bubble but quite a lot of ARR is still utilizing concepts introduced in 1.0 and the few updates shortly after, so the fact a lot of the foundation systems in ARR are 1.0 systems, he is correct - 1.0 was good, the concept in itself was amazing. The issue was it being unfinished and pushed out despite the director/producer saying it wasn't ready.

Yes, 1.0 was so good that square publicly apologized for it and replaced the dev team. You can't do much better than that.

[Pooky_Pasha]

Oh gods. First we get a huge influx in "1.23 was amazing" people, and now we have people like you that actually have the audacity to say to 1.0 was good? I do not think "good" means what you think it means.

1.0 was the biggest flop I've ever seen, and for good reason. 1.0 had nothing, and anyone who says otherwise is a troll or a fool. SE didn't even provide a decent way to download or update the game, you had to torrent the updates and apply them yourself. There is a reason that the vast majority of the player-base quit the game before their first month was even over.

Every time I watch a video of anything 1.0-1.23, it reminds of how painful and mindnumbing it was to play.

[axemtitanium]

I had absolutely zero problems with 1.0's map. So what if they copy'd a lot of things, unless you were up close and you were really looking for it, you never would have noticed.

The rose-colored nostalgia glasses are strong with this one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CA7GGnyNwEs

[Velthice]

The rose-colored nostalgia glasses are strong with this one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CA7GGnyNwEs

I just want to add to this in case someone comes along and says that's hardly any copy paste.
This is just a small section of the 1.0 thanalan map.

Yea...