Abusing the Trade feature to interrupt, etc

[Mogi]

If they can ban you on the forums for just being rude then i don't see why they can't do it in game as well. ppl who do this over and over to others maybe GMs can ban them for 1 or 2 weeks that not be the end of the world but at the same time i don't think they will come back doing it again

[Darki]

I never said it was ok. I said (in the post you quoted, no less) that people are inflating the issue.

To me, it seems there are two sides to this thread. The first by Mr. Argyle_Darkheart, who is taking a methodical and empathetic approach to the subject. Basically saying we shouldn't be so reactionary to trolls (which have been around since the internet was born.) Most likely the trade spammers (or whatever you want to call them,) are just stupid teenagers tiring to get a rise out of others.

The other side of this are the people with a "throw the bums in jail!" mentality. These people say it's the principle of the matter and that these trade spammers should be taught a lesson, but let's be honest here...these people just want to be vindictive. Most likely they were the target of a trade toll and just want to lash back. Why sink to that level? Anyone besides the trolls are bigger then the trolls (in more ways than one) and thus they are not worth anyone's time or attention.

If you own a car, you have to expect that some idiot might ram into you on the road and damage it. So you buy insurance. If you own a house, you have to expect that someone might break into it. So you get a security system. If you play FFXIV: ARR and your doing something important and sensitive out in the open, you have to expect trolls to grief you. So you put up /busy beforehand.

If SE was as ban-happy as the latter half of this topic is, there would be no subscribers and thus no game.

Remember this saying: "The more people fight fire with fire, the more the world burns."

[Tupsi]

I'm not saying 24/7, I'm saying when you're doing something important. If setting yourself to /busy while you're doing something important is too much work for you, good luck being taken seriously.

/Busy blocks tells, btw. What if your friend is trying to chat with you and you're not in the same FC or Linkshells? Thus constantly using it blocks a communication channel as well and simply adding them to your linkshells and FC isn't always viable because sometimes you have multiple linkshhells for certain things (statics/hunts etc) and they can't freely join it.

The other side of this are the people with a "throw the bums in jail!" mentality. These people say it's the principle of the matter and that these trade spammers should be taught a lesson, but let's be honest here...these people just want to be vindictive. Most likely they were the target

Never happened to me. I just know SE doing nothing at all is how a lot of issue start cropping up in MMOs because whether one likes it or not, it does send the message it's ok to harass people.

[YmirEsc]

/Busy blocks tells, btw. What if your friend is trying to chat with you and you're not in the same FC or Linkshells? Thus constantly using it blocks a communication channel as well and simply adding them to your linkshells and FC isn't always viable because sometimes you have multiple linkshhells for certain things (statics/hunts etc) and they can't freely join it.



Never happened to me. I just know SE doing nothing at all is how a lot of issue start cropping up in MMOs because whether one likes it or not, it does send the message it's ok to harass people.

Then either you add them to a LS or use something like TS.
Once again, you don't have to keep it on 24/7. Relaying pos every hunt through /tells is ridiculous anyways, tell your friend to hold his or her own weight.
At that point that's their problem, not yours.

[Tupsi]

Then either you add them to a LS or use something like TS.

See? As I stated, sometimes that's not feasible at all. You shouldn't have to work around these people in order to avoid being harassed by them.

Relaying pos every hunt through /tells is ridiculous anyways, tell your friend to hold his or her own weight.

No one said anything about relaying Hunt spawns through tells....guess I'm just one of the few people who actually chat with someone via tells :x

[Darki]

Never happened to me. I just know SE doing nothing at all is how a lot of issue start cropping up in MMOs because whether one likes it or not, it does send the message it's ok to harass people.

You make it sound like trolls will magically disappear and you will never see anymore again if you "send a message." Trolls don't care if it's ok or not. They will do it anyway. The're trolls lol. They have been around since the birth of the internet. Plus, there will always be new ones to take the place of the old ones. But you go ahead and descend upon them with blood tipped wings and a flaming sword and let me know how it turns out.

[Miste]

but let's be honest here...these people just want to be vindictive. Most likely they were the target of a trade toll and just want to lash back. Why sink to that level? Anyone besides the trolls are bigger then the trolls (in more ways than one) and thus they are not worth anyone's time or attention.

I was never a target of a trade troll, but I still believe that if people do it more than once a GM should be called and punishment be enacted. Why people want to promote that stupid actions should have no consequences is beyond me.

Now, I do not believe they have to be perma banned or anything (unless they keep repeating the offense a lot), but why would you want people to get away with trolling people to such a degree that they cannot play properly or at all? Seems ridiculous. If someone keeps trading you, that can effectively make you unable to play the game. You'd have to log out and wait for them to leave, you really think this should not be punished? It baffles me.

[Darki]

I was never a target of a trade troll, but I still believe that if people do it more than once a GM should be called and punishment be enacted. Why people want to promote that stupid actions should have no consequences is beyond me.

Now, I do not believe they have to be perma banned or anything (unless they keep repeating the offense a lot), but why would you want people to get away with trolling people to such a degree that they cannot play properly or at all? Seems ridiculous. If someone keeps trading you, that can effectively make you unable to play the game. You'd have to log out and wait for them to leave, you really think this should not be punished? It baffles me.

I believe you when you say that you were never trade trolled. To answer your question, it is because trade trolls are bellow you and everyone else who isn't a troll. They are simply not worth your attention, time or energy. Let's say that you were in fact trade trolled. They have already effected your gameplay and maybe even irked you a little. Now you want to give them more of your time energy and attention by filling out a GM report and then wait and wait for a response from said GM? ...Why? Your gameplay is far less effected if you just calmly put up /busy (preferably beforehand) and go back to enjoying the game. Don't give trolls a victory by letting them inside your head rent free.

If it makes you feel better, try thinking of the "busy" symbol by your name as a big middle finger to the trolls.

[Miste]

I believe you when you say that you were never trade trolled. To answer your question, it is because trade trolls are bellow you and everyone else who isn't a troll. They are simply not worth your attention, time or energy. Let's say that you were in fact trade trolled. They have already effected your gameplay and maybe even irked you a little. Now you want to give them more fill out a GM report and then wait and wait for a response from said GM? ...Why? Your gameplay is far less effected if you just calmly put up /busy (preferably beforehand) and go back to enjoying the game. Don't give trolls a victory by letting them inside your head rent free.

If it makes you feel better, try thinking of the "busy" symbol by your name as a big middle finger to the trolls.

I understand your point that it is below us, but like others said, putting yourself on busy makes you unable to communicate with certain friends. Basically what you are saying is everyone should just run around with /busy on and play like this is a single player game...when it is a MMO. So to some people putting up /busy will not make it so you can go back to enjoying the game...since you know some people have friends that they like to talk to.

Also I am unsure about what you mean about "waiting" for a response from a GM...you do not have to just sit there and wait you can do whatever you want. GM's can even send /tells to you while you are in an instance.

So instead of making everyone run around with /busy on all the time, maybe it is better to promote that this behaviour is not acceptable, cause it's not lol

[Darki]

I understand your point that it is below us, but like others said, putting yourself on busy makes you unable to communicate with certain friends. Basically what you are saying is everyone should just run around with /busy on and play like this is a single player game...when it is a MMO. So to some people putting up /busy will not make it so you can go back to enjoying the game...since you know some people have friends that they like to talk to.

Also I am unsure about what you mean about "waiting" for a response from a GM...you do not have to just sit there and wait you can do whatever you want. GM's can even send /tells to you while you are in an instance.

So instead of making everyone run around with /busy on all the time, maybe it is better to promote that this behaviour is not acceptable, cause it's not lol

Not all the time. Just during sensitive times like gathering and map farming for example. No point in having up during times that trolls can't get to you.

In my experience, GMs take a good while to respond. If they are faster with you then I guess you lucked out.