Abusing the Trade feature to interrupt, etc

[Ghishlain]

EDIT: I don't think this "issue" is anywhere near the magnitude of cheating/exploiting through content, so the course of action you're referencing would be highly inappropriate for this situation (low-impact griefing).

Then I recommend advocating a lesser sentence =p As it stands right now, the point of your posts indicate you believe these people have done nothing significantly bad and thus should get off scoot free and everyone else is over reacting, hence all the hostility towards you.

In essence, this type of griefing / harrassment will probably result in a warning / suspension and not an outright ban unless the player continues this behavior even after being warned / suspended.

[Argyle_Darkheart]

Then I recommend advocating a lesser sentence =p As it stands right now, the point of your posts indicate you believe these people have done nothing significantly bad and thus should get off scoot free and everyone else is over reacting, hence all the hostility towards you.

In essence, this type of griefing / harrassment will probably result in a warning / suspension and not an outright ban unless the player continues this behavior even after being warned / suspended.

I appreciate what you're saying, but, no, my main point has always been that people need to calm down and think before they consult a GM.

I do NOT trust GMs to mete out fair punishment. Whether they do or do not is beside the point, as far as I'm concerned; this issue just isn't big enough.

This is why it's not your 'say so' - Businesses follow ToS/EULA, which is why they're often the 'bad guys'.

Huh? My point was that what "deserves punishment" does not equal "what is against ToS/EULA," necessarily. Not in a moral sense, anyway.

Argyle that's not your place to say, if a person is being a douche, I seen my fair share in FFXI who have been banned for stupid things like this.

If a person tells you to stop and you don't on the first time he asked, its clearly he won't listen and if he gets punished that's on his head, should of stopped when asked the first time.

Just like sexual harassment, if a woman is touched by you and she says stop, do you believe you should be fired from your job if you did it a second time?

I already said, multiple times, that extended harassment is a different issue.

[Ghishlain]

I appreciate what you're saying, but, no, my main point has always been that people need to calm down and think before they consult a GM.

I do NOT trust GMs to mete out fair punishment. Whether they do or do not is beside the point, as far as I'm concerned; this issue just isn't big enough.

My thought process is as follows:

If this person is doing this to me, for no apparent reason whatsoever, he has probably done something similar to a variety of other players. He may feel he has gotten off scoot free because he's done this to perhaps HUNDREDS of people unknown to myself, and continues to do so because he hasn't gotten any slap on the wrist for his inappropriate behavior.

By bringing it the attention of the GMs, they can now sift through this player's history and see if this behaviorism has been replicated in other incidents, or perhaps add this to an already mounting portfolio of complaints against this individual. If I'm the only individual, then fine, at last this has now been noted. If I am one of many victims, that harassing player should give them a warning and if it continues, escalate beyond that.

Just because I can fix it for myself by putting on my /busy symbol doesn't mean I shouldn't take the necessary steps to potentially protect other innocent players from being griefed by this player (who may not know how to prevent this grief from happening).

[Argyle_Darkheart]

Just because I can fix it for myself by putting on my /busy symbol doesn't mean I shouldn't take the necessary steps to potentially protect other innocent players from being griefed by this player (who may not know how to prevent this grief from happening).

That's fine; you've clearly thought about it. But some people just call GM to sort out their emotions and/or to attempt to harm the other player (whether or not they deserve it).