Abusing the Trade feature to interrupt, etc

[Tinsley]

Our FC does this to each other as a joke but we keep it in the family so to speak. i'd never do it to anyone i dont know, as i know how annoying it can be.

I assume it'll be fixed eventually but until then, /busy will stop any trolls.

[whoopeeragon]

Sure, it's annoying, but it's really a bit much to want them banned for it.

Considering people have been banned for less, such as /tell harassment, emote spamming etc, I wouldn't be surprised about temporary bans for Trade harassment.

Especially since it's NOT just an annoyance.

Trade interruption can also interrupt casting. I've seen it happen, and reported the person who did it. One poor soul was doing a levequest, and probably mistimed a dodge or somewhat (things happen) and was on low HP. She sprinted a distance away, and was casting Cure. Some fool saw, and went and traded her, interrupting her cast. Suffice to say, she ended up dying when the mob caught up to her. The person who traded just /laughed and went away.

That was just for a levequest, which is repeatable. Imagine if people did this to a person doing their Alexandrite maps. Or trying to get their mobs for logs/animus books/quests. Imagine if that get happening to you while fighting a hunt mob. Of course, if you go a melee/archer discipline, this is a non-issue, but as a caster, it's more than just an annoyance, its detrimental.

Of course, you could always argue that people can just set /busy. But they SHOULDN'T. They shouldn't expect to be harassed like this, just as you don't expect to get hot water flung in your face every time you sit down in a restaurant. I may be taking an aggressive stance on this, but being a WHM/SCH main, I wouldn't want this to happen to me at all.

[NintenPyjak64]

The trade glitch has been around since launch, people used it on obvious bots and it'd screw up the bots (until they started using /busy) but when word got out, people used it on anybody who they assumed is a bot. Seems it's starting to resurface

[Argyle_Darkheart]

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I'm not saying the trade mechanics aren't an issue, and I'm not saying that people should just accept bad mechanics.

What I'm saying is that trying to get someone banned because they trade-griefed you once is an overreaction. Apparently, some of you feel otherwise. Fine, but I think that's sad.

[Surian]

I'm not saying the trade mechanics aren't an issue, and I'm not saying that people should just accept bad mechanics.

What I'm saying is that trying to get someone banned because they trade-griefed you once is an overreaction. Apparently, some of you feel otherwise. Fine, but I think it's sad.

You'd feel diffirently if you're trying to get somewhere. A once-a-day mining node that's about to despawn that you would have made otherwise, or an A/S-rank hunt you could have reached if it wasnt for some jerkface who keeps following you around and trading you for his laughs.

I've had someone literally follow me around for 5 minutes locking me into place.

Why do you feel it's not acceptable to ban someone who is seriously griefing you and is trying to stop you from enjoying the game or getting things done? I certainly dont want those kinds of people or that sort of behavior around on this game. And if asking them doesnt stop it, maybe a ban will make them change their attitudes.

[whoopeeragon]

What I'm saying is that trying to get someone banned because they trade-griefed you once is an overreaction. Apparently, some of you feel otherwise. Fine, but I think that's sad.

It depends on the severity of that 'once'.

If it's just a minor troll, like in a FATE and once? Ok, I'll ignore it and carry on.

If it's a once that causes death, or ruins a duty like a map? Yup, you can rest assured that report is going straight off to the GMs.

[Alukah]

You'd feel diffirently if you're trying to get somewhere. A once-a-day mining node that's about to despawn that you would have made otherwise, or an A/S-rank hunt you could have reached if it wasnt for some jerkface who keeps following you around and trading you for his laughs.

I've had someone literally follow me around for 5 minutes locking me into place.

Why do you feel it's not acceptable to ban someone who is seriously griefing you and is trying to stop you from enjoying the game or getting things done? I certainly dont want those kinds of people or that sort of behavior around on this game. And if asking them doesnt stop it, maybe a ban will make them change their attitudes.

Misunderstanding

If the issue persists, of course, that's a different, more personal, level of harassment.

To make it short, if someone does it once just lighten up, it's just a joke.

If someone is following you for 5 minutes that's no longer a joke, that's clear harassment.

Asking to ban someone who did it once is taking things a bit too far, but if someone is continuously trading you then you should report them.

Either way this should get fixed.

It depends on the severity of that 'once'.

If it's just a minor troll, like in a FATE and once? Ok, I'll ignore it and carry on.

If it's a once that causes death, or ruins a duty like a map? Yup, you can rest assured that report is going straight off to the GMs.

This is also a valid point ^

[CUTS3R]

The trade glitch has been around since launch, people used it on obvious bots and it'd screw up the bots (until they started using /busy) but when word got out, people used it on anybody who they assumed is a bot. Seems it's starting to resurface

Thanks i didn't know bout this harassment method as it never happened to me. Also thanks for the advice. From now on ill switch to busy every time i'll mine / hunt / do maps or just anything a /trade would end up screwing me, just in case it happens.

[Tupsi]

Sorry, but I'm not so immature as to think every slight deserves such an indignant response.

However punishing nothing at all sends the message it's ok to do. If they deal out Salvage like bans, people will straighten up quite nicely, even if it's for a short while.

[Argyle_Darkheart]

You'd feel diffirently if you're trying to get somewhere. A once-a-day mining node that's about to despawn that you would have made otherwise, or an A/S-rank hunt you could have reached if it wasnt for some jerkface who keeps following you around and trading you for his laughs.

No, I wouldn't. I would /busy or /blacklist the offender. I only report people if they're a persistent menace to other people, or if I have literally no other alternative.

I've had someone literally follow me around for 5 minutes locking me into place.

That sucks. That's persistent harassment, and warrants a reaction. Still, I would just /blacklist them and move on.

Why do you feel it's not acceptable to ban someone who is seriously griefing you and is trying to stop you from enjoying the game or getting things done? I certainly dont want those kinds of people or that sort of behavior around on this game. And if asking them doesnt stop it, maybe a ban will make them change their attitudes.

(Extended personal harassment is a different issue than what I was addressing, but I still think GM intervention should be a last resort.)

It sets a dangerous precedent, and I don't trust GMs to issue suspensions judiciously.
I don't think players should immediately turn to GM intervention, just as I don't think people, in real life, should immediately turn to the authorities.
I don't want some players' accounts terminated because some people can't contain their emotions.
Maybe someone deserves to be banned, maybe they don't. But that should not be decided so quickly.

However punishing nothing at all sends the message it's ok to do. If they deal out Salvage like bans, people will straighten up quite nicely, even if it's for a short while.

I don't want anyone to be banned undeservedly just to send a message to a few bad apples. That's disgusting.