Abusing the Trade feature to interrupt, etc

[Verranicus]

Lighten up and/or blacklist them.

Sure, it's annoying, but it's really a bit much to want them banned for it.

Come back after people use the exploit to get you killed or fuck you up while doing something important.

[Argyle_Darkheart]

Come back after people use the exploit to get you killed or fuck you up while doing something important.

I don't care for your sob stories, and I think you're inflating the issue.

Permanent suspension is a serious punishment, and should be reserved for only the most dire of issues.

[Verranicus]

I don't care for your sob stories, and I think you're inflating the issue.

Permanent suspension is a serious punishment, and it should not be dealt out lightly.

Trade troll spotted.

[Argyle_Darkheart]

Trade troll spotted.

Sorry, but I'm not so immature as to think every slight deserves such an indignant response.

People need to chill out, take a deep breath, and think whether their offenders really deserve their outrage.

Yes, they're having a laugh at your expense. Do the GMs need to come in and sort your feelings out for you? I don't think so (for everyone's sake).

If the issue persists, of course, that's a different, more personal, level of harassment.

[Tupsi]

Sorry, but I'm not so immature as to think every slight deserves such an indignant response.

However punishing nothing at all sends the message it's ok to do. If they deal out Salvage like bans, people will straighten up quite nicely, even if it's for a short while.

[Argyle_Darkheart]

You'd feel diffirently if you're trying to get somewhere. A once-a-day mining node that's about to despawn that you would have made otherwise, or an A/S-rank hunt you could have reached if it wasnt for some jerkface who keeps following you around and trading you for his laughs.

No, I wouldn't. I would /busy or /blacklist the offender. I only report people if they're a persistent menace to other people, or if I have literally no other alternative.

I've had someone literally follow me around for 5 minutes locking me into place.

That sucks. That's persistent harassment, and warrants a reaction. Still, I would just /blacklist them and move on.

Why do you feel it's not acceptable to ban someone who is seriously griefing you and is trying to stop you from enjoying the game or getting things done? I certainly dont want those kinds of people or that sort of behavior around on this game. And if asking them doesnt stop it, maybe a ban will make them change their attitudes.

(Extended personal harassment is a different issue than what I was addressing, but I still think GM intervention should be a last resort.)

It sets a dangerous precedent, and I don't trust GMs to issue suspensions judiciously.
I don't think players should immediately turn to GM intervention, just as I don't think people, in real life, should immediately turn to the authorities.
I don't want some players' accounts terminated because some people can't contain their emotions.
Maybe someone deserves to be banned, maybe they don't. But that should not be decided so quickly.

However punishing nothing at all sends the message it's ok to do. If they deal out Salvage like bans, people will straighten up quite nicely, even if it's for a short while.

I don't want anyone to be banned undeservedly just to send a message to a few bad apples. That's disgusting.

[Tupsi]

I don't want anyone to be banned undeservedly just to send a message to a few bad apples. That's disgusting.

Ah, but if you're harassing someone you're not undeserving - You've broken ToS/EULA by harassing another player. It's more like:

Player: "Ah, think I'll log on and play some XIV."
SE: "Why hello there player, I see you're playing FFXIV today - BANNED!"

^ That is undeserving and simply "to send a message we will ban you."


Compared to:

Player: "Ah, think I'll trade spam people and people I think are bots, I know this counts as harassment but who cares!"
SE: "I see you're harassing people..carry on!"

^ Not punishing.

SE: "I see you're harassing people, you're breaking the terms by doing so as it is also a bannable offense, you will be temporarily suspended or permanently banned depending on prior infractions." This would be punishing someone for breaking the terms you agreed on. I get what you mean, but simply doing nothing at all means you're free to harass and bot and so on and nothing will befall you. Sometimes they need to send a message if they truly ever want to fix certain situations. As exampled with the Salvage Bans, people sure as heck thought twice about openly exploiting and cheating any flaws found in a content system SE released in XI, since entire linkshells were broken and/or banned. It may be seen as bad taste, but it could be worse, they could be scanning our computers constantly and ban us if they see any program interact with the client even if it's harmless.

[YmirEsc]

Just use /busy. At this point there's really no excuse not to. If you can't be bothered to recieve a trade that interrupts you or you're really in a rush then just switch yourself to busy and problem solved. Complaining about something that can be fixed is stupid honestly.

[Mogi]

If they can ban you on the forums for just being rude then i don't see why they can't do it in game as well. ppl who do this over and over to others maybe GMs can ban them for 1 or 2 weeks that not be the end of the world but at the same time i don't think they will come back doing it again

[Gramul]

I don't care for your sob stories, and I think you're inflating the issue.

Permanent suspension is a serious punishment, and should be reserved for only the most dire of issues.

Then how about a week long ban?
No ida what makes people act like dicks to each other, but there should be some punishment for it.