Abusing the Trade feature to interrupt, etc

[Darki]

I never said it was ok. I said (in the post you quoted, no less) that people are inflating the issue.

To me, it seems there are two sides to this thread. The first by Mr. Argyle_Darkheart, who is taking a methodical and empathetic approach to the subject. Basically saying we shouldn't be so reactionary to trolls (which have been around since the internet was born.) Most likely the trade spammers (or whatever you want to call them,) are just stupid teenagers tiring to get a rise out of others.

The other side of this are the people with a "throw the bums in jail!" mentality. These people say it's the principle of the matter and that these trade spammers should be taught a lesson, but let's be honest here...these people just want to be vindictive. Most likely they were the target of a trade toll and just want to lash back. Why sink to that level? Anyone besides the trolls are bigger then the trolls (in more ways than one) and thus they are not worth anyone's time or attention.

If you own a car, you have to expect that some idiot might ram into you on the road and damage it. So you buy insurance. If you own a house, you have to expect that someone might break into it. So you get a security system. If you play FFXIV: ARR and your doing something important and sensitive out in the open, you have to expect trolls to grief you. So you put up /busy beforehand.

If SE was as ban-happy as the latter half of this topic is, there would be no subscribers and thus no game.

Remember this saying: "The more people fight fire with fire, the more the world burns."

[Ghishlain]

I'm not saying 24/7, I'm saying when you're doing something important. If setting yourself to /busy while you're doing something important is too much work for you, good luck being taken seriously.

The point of the matter is I shouldn't need to do this if proper etiquette and decorum of the online community is followed.

Why should I expect to be harassed while out on the field minding my own business. Apparently the onus is on me to prevent someone else's indiscretion? No. Someone willing chose to harass me. The onus is on them to hold their itchy grief finger. If not, they risk the punishment, whatever it may be.

[YmirEsc]

The point of the matter is I shouldn't need to do this if proper etiquette and decorum of the online community is followed.

Why should I expect to be harassed while out on the field minding my own business. Apparently the onus is on me to prevent someone else's indiscretion? No. Someone willing chose to harass me. The onus is on them to hold their itchy grief finger. If not, they risk the punishment, whatever it may be.

I would agree with you if there wasn't already methods implemented to prevent it.

/busy is part of the game for a reason- so nobody can bother you. Use what SE already has rather than kick and scream about something you already can stop.

[Tupsi]

I'm not saying 24/7, I'm saying when you're doing something important. If setting yourself to /busy while you're doing something important is too much work for you, good luck being taken seriously.

/Busy blocks tells, btw. What if your friend is trying to chat with you and you're not in the same FC or Linkshells? Thus constantly using it blocks a communication channel as well and simply adding them to your linkshells and FC isn't always viable because sometimes you have multiple linkshhells for certain things (statics/hunts etc) and they can't freely join it.

The other side of this are the people with a "throw the bums in jail!" mentality. These people say it's the principle of the matter and that these trade spammers should be taught a lesson, but let's be honest here...these people just want to be vindictive. Most likely they were the target

Never happened to me. I just know SE doing nothing at all is how a lot of issue start cropping up in MMOs because whether one likes it or not, it does send the message it's ok to harass people.

[Darki]

The point of the matter is I shouldn't need to do this if proper etiquette and decorum of the online community is followed.

Why should I expect to be harassed while out on the field minding my own business. Apparently the onus is on me to prevent someone else's indiscretion? No. Someone willing chose to harass me. The onus is on them to hold their itchy grief finger. If not, they risk the punishment, whatever it may be.

Well it seems to me that you can ether demand that everyone else follow your request to be more civilized and expect them to do so or take steps to guard yourself in case people are not. What do you think is the smarter choice?

[Miste]

but let's be honest here...these people just want to be vindictive. Most likely they were the target of a trade toll and just want to lash back. Why sink to that level? Anyone besides the trolls are bigger then the trolls (in more ways than one) and thus they are not worth anyone's time or attention.

I was never a target of a trade troll, but I still believe that if people do it more than once a GM should be called and punishment be enacted. Why people want to promote that stupid actions should have no consequences is beyond me.

Now, I do not believe they have to be perma banned or anything (unless they keep repeating the offense a lot), but why would you want people to get away with trolling people to such a degree that they cannot play properly or at all? Seems ridiculous. If someone keeps trading you, that can effectively make you unable to play the game. You'd have to log out and wait for them to leave, you really think this should not be punished? It baffles me.

[YmirEsc]

/Busy blocks tells, btw. What if your friend is trying to chat with you and you're not in the same FC or Linkshells? Thus constantly using it blocks a communication channel as well and simply adding them to your linkshells and FC isn't always viable because sometimes you have multiple linkshhells for certain things (statics/hunts etc) and they can't freely join it.



Never happened to me. I just know SE doing nothing at all is how a lot of issue start cropping up in MMOs because whether one likes it or not, it does send the message it's ok to harass people.

Then either you add them to a LS or use something like TS.
Once again, you don't have to keep it on 24/7. Relaying pos every hunt through /tells is ridiculous anyways, tell your friend to hold his or her own weight.
At that point that's their problem, not yours.

[Ghishlain]

I would agree with you if there wasn't already methods implemented to prevent it.

/busy is part of the game for a reason- so nobody can bother you. Use what SE already has rather than kick and scream about something you already can stop.

Well it seems to me that you can ether demand that everyone else follow your request to be more civilized and expect them to do so or take steps to guard yourself in case people are not. What do you think is the smarter choice?

I agree to disagree, because what I'm advocating is everyone to play nice and respect other players in this game. You two are advocating is that it's a dog-eat-dog world out there and everyone should look after themselves and their own self-interest.

I can respect the opinion, though I disagree with it, but I also know that I have no solidifying counterpoint to it since it's my own opinion versus yours on how the matter should be dealt with.

[Darki]

I was never a target of a trade troll, but I still believe that if people do it more than once a GM should be called and punishment be enacted. Why people want to promote that stupid actions should have no consequences is beyond me.

Now, I do not believe they have to be perma banned or anything (unless they keep repeating the offense a lot), but why would you want people to get away with trolling people to such a degree that they cannot play properly or at all? Seems ridiculous. If someone keeps trading you, that can effectively make you unable to play the game. You'd have to log out and wait for them to leave, you really think this should not be punished? It baffles me.

I believe you when you say that you were never trade trolled. To answer your question, it is because trade trolls are bellow you and everyone else who isn't a troll. They are simply not worth your attention, time or energy. Let's say that you were in fact trade trolled. They have already effected your gameplay and maybe even irked you a little. Now you want to give them more of your time energy and attention by filling out a GM report and then wait and wait for a response from said GM? ...Why? Your gameplay is far less effected if you just calmly put up /busy (preferably beforehand) and go back to enjoying the game. Don't give trolls a victory by letting them inside your head rent free.

If it makes you feel better, try thinking of the "busy" symbol by your name as a big middle finger to the trolls.

[Tupsi]

Then either you add them to a LS or use something like TS.

See? As I stated, sometimes that's not feasible at all. You shouldn't have to work around these people in order to avoid being harassed by them.

Relaying pos every hunt through /tells is ridiculous anyways, tell your friend to hold his or her own weight.

No one said anything about relaying Hunt spawns through tells....guess I'm just one of the few people who actually chat with someone via tells :x