White Mage vs Scholar

[hdepaula]

I know someone that is a WHM and a SCH and I’m a WHM becoming a SCH and that person looks down on SCH saying that they shouldn’t even be green because their Protect sucks, their Stoneskin sucks and they don’t have healing traits cuz their traits and powers are too much alike to the SMN, the Arcanist class is a BLM and a WHM put together in a blender and thats the result. I like being a SCH cuz i have the pets to help me out...SCH isn’t so bad but they really don’t have the healing traits, plus the points that we get from leveling up, if it is not spent correctly, a SMN might be too strong than a SCH so I personally put the point on Vitality. Idk can you guys help me out? which class does a better job of healing if you were to put the best SCH and WHM of Eorzea together to heal a group of ppl?

[Leon_Stormrage]

They both have completely different jobs, they are pretty balanced ATM, so it depends on what way of play do you like more...
I play both and I can tell you that both are usefully and funny to use but they have differences on the playstile
Sch is more like a single target / damage preventing kind of healer, adloquium have less potency than a cure 2 but it also applies a shield for the same amount of heal performed and it is duplicated if the adlo crits, plus De fairy that help you with the heals and have buffs you can heal perfectly fine through all the game.
Meanwhile whm is so good for Spike damage and also have a lot of tools for group healing, he can heal all the party with AoE healing and HoTs.
The mana management is a little more difficult as whm but once that you get used to it you will be fine.
So whm and SCH complement each other perfectly! The best composition is having one of each in and 8 man party

[Yonko]

neither they are both balanced. There is a reason most 8 man statics have both a WHM and a SCH. They both bring different things to the table.

Also tell your friend that SCH has a better shield than stoneskin since last I checked the most you could get out of stoneskin is something like 2k and that is with a tank with 12k hp. Adlo can crit for that which doubles the shield.

As for traits Maim and Mend (Arcanist) (and 2) increase your healing. Eye for an Eye traited reduces the recast to 2mins. Supervirus reduces the damage the enemy does which means you have to heal for less. Really the only traits that whm get are the ones that give free/reduced healing outside of traited stoneskin (which I covered above).

And if you want to do both SMN and SCH then put your bonus points into INT. You will lose ~50hp on physic and ~40hp on adlo which isn't that big of a deal at 50. If you end up in a static as SCH then respec but for everything else you would be fine with 30INT.

[NargaHuntress]

WHM is good for burst healing meaning they can heal like 2k off the bat(well a good geares WHM that is). SCH is more of buff/damage reduction healer. We do crit healing. Honestly I like SCH more because they can have eos on embrace (cure/heal) spam so they can dodge those plumes in titan ex w/o have to actually hacing to stop healing cuz you got eos doing it. Or have eos pop Breaking dawn(i forget the name) and something-illumination(forgot that bame to) for when that tumult comes dwn in titan ex. And selene for dps buffs in ST. Or Frontlines.

[Yonko]

WHM is good for burst healing meaning they can heal like 2k off the bat(well a good geares WHM that is). SCH is more of buff/damage reduction healer. We do crit healing. Honestly I like SCH more because they can have eos on embrace (cure/heal) spam so they can dodge those plumes in titan ex w/o have to actually hacing to stop healing cuz you got eos doing it. Or have eos pop Breaking dawn(i forget the name) and something-illumination(forgot that bame to) for when that tumult comes dwn in titan ex. And selene for dps buffs in ST. Or Frontlines.

whispering dawn and fey illumination are the names you forgot.

[whiskeybravo]

Quite honestly, whoever said that really doesn't know that much about the healers. It's true WHM gets better stoneskin and protect, but the reality is in any 8man instance, both whm and sch are going to be preferred. There are some instances you can get away with 2 whm, and admittedly 2 whm does work slightly better than 2 sch due to how sch shielding works, but overall they complement each other so well that it's hard to say one is better than the other outright, it really depends on the content. WHM excels in AoE healing, sch excels in single target healing and damage mitigation. Usually sch heals the tanks, while whm heals the party.

As for attribute points, I have sch and whm, and sch points are all in Int because I wanted a summoner mainly, even with 30+ difference in mind I can heal everything up to t5 just fine. Haven't tried second coil for either healer since they aren't my mains. Remember that sch most powerful heal, Lustrate, is percentage based heal, so it doesn't matter what your mind is or even if you're in cleric stance it will heal 25% hp.

[Divine_Intervention]

A White Mage is the group "band-aid". We are there to fix the group up with medicas, our own little damage prevention of Stoneskin and regen etc. We SHOULD be proactive where possible with pre-healing to cover damage just as it happens, knowing what's going to happen and preparing etc.
So a White Mage thinks "We've all just been hurt, let's patch it up as fast as possible".

Ultimately, the entire WHM vs SCH discussion is pointless, they're both fantastic rolls. My best friend is the scholar of my parties, I'm the White mage. In 8 man content if i'm pugging , or running with a PF group, i /pray! that my other healer is a Scholar.Leon summed it up. I'll add to it.

White Mage Class Keyword = REACTIVE
Scholar Class Keyword = PROACTIVE

As a Scholar, single target heals are awesome. However, it's in using/managing your pet properly that this is possible. A Scholar should know the fight, know when damage is coming, and prepare for it.
So a Scholar thinks "We're all about to be hurt, let's stop as much of that as possible"

Also, as far as the "scholars' buffs suck" argument go, ignore it. Yes, a White mage casting Stoneskin and Protect adds extra % buff, and extra damage type protection, but if you don't have a white mage in your group, are you going to want your Scholar NOT to use them? I think not.
Just always remember, let the White Mage put up Protect and Stoneskin if you have one with you. If you don't, put them up yourself. And if the white mage is too busy to put up stoneskin and you know damage is coming on your MT or OT or whatever.. don't be afraid to put it up!

[Anova]

Hello. I play both SCH and WHM, and I believe both are viable endgame healers. A lot has been said about the abilities and kit of the two jobs, so rather than rehash everything, I will only confirm that what's said above me is true.

The main cause for some healers to marginalize the other class is in playstyle and their expectations of the healer role. WHM in general use the amount healed (and their ability to recover from huge amounts of damage) as a metric of their effectiveness. They handle spike damage simply by healing through it (often at cost of MP and enmity). The SCH in comparison works to prevent that spike damage with hp buffers and mitigation. Thus, when you see a good SCH heal, the party will not lose massive chunks of HP. Instead, the tank will lose smaller chunks that a SCH physick/WHM cure and pet can handle. This difference can be difficult for WHM to adjust to, especially if they are treating Adlo as a cure2 with benefits (it really isn't).

With that in mind, I think the synergy between the two jobs is fairly obvious in 8-man content. Similarly, I hope you understand the strength and subtly different metrics used for both classes.

[Staris]

Be able to play both or your gimping yourself and your group.

[Yonko]

Be able to play both or your gimping yourself and your group.

I wouldn't say your gimping yourself or your group if you only have 1 leveled. The SCH in my static doesn't have WHM leveled (he only has it to 16) but he doesn't need it to be a good SCH. I always precast stoneskin on everyone before the fight and even if he had stoneskin I would do that anyways since mine is 8% higher. And for during combat Adlo is going to be the better choice coming from him than a Stoneskin would anyways. He needs to work on that for pugs but in the static there is always going to be a WHM to Stoneskin.

Currently working on T9 so I wouldn't say he is gimped. Being able to play both does make you more versatile through but only having one doesn't gimp the one that you have.