Are cracks in the Armoury System beginning to surface?

[AlexiaKidd]

Now that we have a bit of somewhat challenging content are we beginning to see some flaws in the Armoury System?

What I am talking about is the huge advantage that someone who has levelled every class has over someone who has not. Take GLA for example, somebody who only wanted to play as a GLA and not level any other class is at a big disadvantage over someone who has the time to level up multiple jobs and can cherry pick skill's and abilities from a range of classes.

In the R45 Dungeon I have noticed GLA's that have only levelled that class really struggle, they struggle to keep hate and they take way to much DMG on bosses. On the other side of the fence I did a run with a GLA who pretty much was invincible. They were able to run the whole length to Ogre without stopping to fight anything while getting every chest on the way, they needed hardly any healing on the Ogre and kept it solo without any cures needed until first Ghost shift. When rounding up skeletons before Batraal they walked around and gathered up every single skeleton in the room and then brought them back to us for AOE nuking only needing minimal cures on return. On Batraal again they could hold him solo no problem with only one mage needed for cures.

Now I won't take anything away from this player as they were very skilled and what they did was by no means easy but they also have every single Class at R50 and that did give them a massive advantage, no player with only GLA levelled would be able to do what he did with only the skills that a GLA can earn.

So where are we heading? Does this mean that people are going to be forced to level everything just to be able to build that godly tank class. This is something I have been worried about since the beginning and it is why I put all my time into trying to get every single Class levelled so that I too would have this advantage. However not everyone can do that so should they be penalised because of that, just because they don't have everything levelled they can never be that good?

As more and more challenging content comes certain builds for classes will begin to surface and as opposed to something like FFXI where you only had to level you main Job and a few Sub Jobs needed for that, in FFXIV you may have to level even more and level them to cap to get what is needed. What about when the level cap increases will you be expected to level some class you don't care about to cap just to get that one skill that is great for tanking?

I suppose we have the Job System coming and this may put this cross classing godly builds to rest but will Job's really be that great, will a PLD with restricted skills be as good as a GLA that has every class levelled and can cherry pick what they need to make the perfect build? Or what if even while PLD you can still cross class certain things from other classes and make it even better than your already over powered tank.

I don't know what SE will do but they really need to look at some way to balance this kind of stuff because someone should not really have that huge of an advantage over someone else just because they don't have ever class at R50 to cross class the best skills.

[Zenaku]

Job system would have there own great JA,spell,ws that only they can use so i think the jobs would be useful for only party base low manning stuff ya you need to have class to make up for the lost of members.

[DeadRiser]

Well aside from that, it seems everybody just wants ARC, GLA, and CON. I feel sorry for the higher ranked THM, LNC, PUG, and MRD... well from what I've heard atleast.

[Cursive]

Well aside from that, it seems everybody just wants ARC, GLA, and CON. I feel sorry for the higher ranked THM, LNC, PUG, and MRD... well from what I've heard atleast.

that is because bg posted a video of them clearing darkhold with that setup...it can definitely be done with different classes...but people would rather just try and emulate what some other ls has already done, which is fine...watching a video is completely different than trying to actually do it. they make it look easy because they are good players.

[Budi]

Is the raid casual content? No. I don't think that anyone who just leveled one class should be able to complete it (as GLA). I mean a lot of important skills are easy to get (~r20).

Well aside from that, it seems everybody just wants ARC, GLA, and CON. I feel sorry for the higher ranked THM, LNC, PUG, and MRD... well from what I've heard atleast.

without a linkshell its impossible to find a party... T_T

[DeadRiser]

Is the raid casual content? No. I don't think that anyone who just leveled one class should be able to complete it (as GLA). I mean a lot of important skills are easy to get (~r20).



without a linkshell its impossible to find a party... T_T

That stinks I'm glad my main ranks are GLA, CON, and ARC then lol. I just can't wait till there is more class uniqueness and they change the armory system around.

[Delsus]

Well aside from that, it seems everybody just wants ARC, GLA, and CON. I feel sorry for the higher ranked THM, LNC, PUG, and MRD... well from what I've heard atleast.

From what I have seen this is exactly right, I am getting really tempted to quit the game until 1.19 if this ARC, GLA, CON only idea stays for long.

Is the raid casual content? No. I don't think that anyone who just leveled one class should be able to complete it (as GLA). I mean a lot of important skills are easy to get (~r20).



without a linkshell its impossible to find a party... T_T

Lol some times its impossible to find a party with a linkshell if your not ARC, GLA, CON for darkhold that is anyway

[Xenor]

It's likely more skills will become class specific, like what was done with Bloodletter. A GLA may lose the ability to use some of the current important tanking skills from other classes but they will make up for it by using PLD abilities from their job. At least I hope that's the direction they will be going. It would have been bad to restrict too many abilities to classes before adding the job system.

[Shikyo]

I'm actually starting to like the game thanks to 1.18 the one final problem is the Armoury system to me it sux all the classes are soooo generic XI's job/sub was awesome and far better then this one.

Hopefully when they add real defined classes and drop the stupid phys lvl we'll see things improve.

Show me Paladin ninja redmage whitemage blackmage SAMURAI summoner please!
Sooooo tired of playing Guywithbow dudewithsword homeboywithtwigdoinmagic, generic boring classes this is the biggest problem with the game for me atm as well.

One more thing I saw it said earlier about crafting, I agree that it should be a damn hobby in the game not a damn class sheesh.

There is truly only 6 freaking classes in this game i only count the ones you can actually take and kill a mob with, the crafts being indivisual classes is dumb as hell to me, add a freakin thief/rouge w/e you wanna call it for cripes sake, and where the hell is the dual wield =/

1.18 is tasty, but SE still needs to tighten up on the Class system big time!

If they bring some classes worth playing to the game I got my check book ready to pay for this bad boy.
Or am I the only one that misses slicing gobs into bite size pieces with a katana.

[Kiote]

I'm actually starting to like the game thanks to 1.18 the one final problem is the Armoury system to me it sux all the classes are soooo generic XI's job/sub was awesome and far better then this one.

The Classes are not Generic in any way. They are all in fact very diverse and each have there own individual perks. I'm afraid it is you my friend who is generic. You are clearly building all of your Classes the same way and that is why they feel the same.

I personally have 5 different types of builds I use. Reactionary, Power Damage, Melee Mage, AOE Melee and Damage Absorption.

No one can honestly say this game is just a bunch of generic classes. There are so many different ways to play. If you can't figure that out it means you yourself only like playing one way.