Pugilist role in groups... a Tank or a Damage Dealer?

[NoctisUmbra]

I'm getting kinda tired of the forums saying I can't tank, when my LS and I know better.

What's this silly LS you speak of?

Seriously speaking though, PGL was an awesome tank pre-1.18 and is now more clearly than ever an offensive tank.

PGL has no trouble holding hate - hell it can hold hate better than a GLA. It's the survival aspect. PGL needs to evade to tank effectively and Light Strike's continuous buff was a huge boon to that end. The move has been gimped to become situational now and I can say firsthand I do not evade nearly as much.

However, provided you rank GLA and MRD to basically 50 and get all them sub skills, well no shit you can tank But honestly if I managed to get GLA or MRD to 50 I'd rather tank on them at this point.

PGL is being made more and more into a DD, but where it really shines is being the best solo class.

[Viridiana]

However, provided you rank GLA and MRD to basically 50 and get all them sub skills, well no shit you can tank But honestly if I managed to get GLA or MRD to 50 I'd rather tank on them at this point.

Nah, absolute highest I'm getting GLA to anytime soon is 36. Maybe 40 if I decide I need Provoke II. That Obsess II you see at 48 isn't worth it to me.

[Murugan]

What's this silly LS you speak of?

Seriously speaking though, PGL was an awesome tank pre-1.18 and is now more clearly than ever an offensive tank.

PGL has no trouble holding hate - hell it can hold hate better than a GLA. It's the survival aspect. PGL needs to evade to tank effectively and Light Strike's continuous buff was a huge boon to that end. The move has been gimped to become situational now and I can say firsthand I do not evade nearly as much.

However, provided you rank GLA and MRD to basically 50 and get all them sub skills, well no shit you can tank But honestly if I managed to get GLA or MRD to 50 I'd rather tank on them at this point.

PGL is being made more and more into a DD, but where it really shines is being the best solo class.

Welcome to FFXIV?

If you want to tank well on any class (including GLA) you need more than one job 45+. A Pugilist can tank without Defender II, just like a Gladiator can, but they aren't going to be as good as one with it.

[NoctisUmbra]

Welcome to FFXIV?

If you want to tank well on any class (including GLA) you need more than one job 45+. A Pugilist can tank without Defender II, just like a Gladiator can, but they aren't going to be as good as one with it.

I know....

[Murugan]

by asking this question, i don't mean it in the current time since all classes are nearly full of flaws i am just wondering whether it is planned to be a Tank or a DD class or even both!
i would like to hear your ideas on how would Devs fix the class currently and make it work for both

As for me, since there is no Def or Off stances...i would say they should make the "usable on evade only" abilities produce more Enmity than other abilities (more like Phalanx) and remove that condition from Simian Thrash and increase the damage of Concussive Blow, beside that removing MP from Pummel and Light Strike and reducing Flurry Recast (30 second is reasonable) and redesigning Pummel to make it an ability to increase generated TP instead of what it is right now...

of course you can drop all this and find other solutions if we had toggle Stances

What do you think?

Pugilist can both Tank and DD all mobs/instances currently in the game just fine. Of course to do it well you need to have certain abilities from other classes. I believe a well played Pugilist is just as capable as a GLA tanking (having a slight edge on some fights, and handicap on others), or a LNC/MRD in terms of DD capability.

You may not do the same damage as an ARC or a mage, but you can still be of use to your party by assisting with incapacitation, Battle Regimen (we gain TP very fast), and hate transfer through accomplice chains, and Collusion. I think we do these things better than an ARC or mage personally.

[Deceptistar]

I would think all jobs are pretty much how you make it to play, nvm the devs doing anything. It just may take a few years for things to be 'discovered' so you really cant tell.
Similar to the FFXI. Tanking a few years ago with nin/drk, -%dmg reduction gears, %haste, sprinkle spells and voila, god enmity. The players made a class into something the devs never thought of

[SuMDRGMAN]

i always had to tank with my DRG in 11 LS made me cause teh PLD war nin tanks couldnt keep hate off me>< but yeah pug tanking is fun just a lil bit harder now

[MattyWS]

I think we need to wait for the new job system. maybe it can do both, under different jobs. for example

Pugilist > Monk = DD
Pugilist > (something) = Tank

Speculation but, they did say the job system was for each job to do a specific role.

[Serio]

After 1.18a my PUG deals a shitload of damage with weaponskills. Guess it's a DD now? I mean, it has the potential to off-tank when the GLA is getting pwnd and needs a quick break. Or when the mages pull too much hate. Taunt is still a very useful skill, but it's recast is 50 seconds. So I guess PUG is now a decent DD with situational off-tanking potential.

[Akuun]

Yoshi-P has already stated that classes are more for light parties, and that the upcoming jobs are designed for full parties.

Unfortunately all we have is classes atm, gla mrd and pgl are all about the same tanking wise, some being better at tanking some monsters than others, but not a large enough difference for any of the 3 to clearly outshine the others.

Gladiator has a shield for blocking, and can evade and parry with a lower chance than the respective classes.

Marauder has a huge HP pool and parry, but can also evade about the same as gladiator.

Pugilist has evasion, and partial parry, which while this may make them the weakest defender, they also have the most devastating returns for attacks they evade.

Now some say, well gladiator can wear all the best evasion gear and use feather foot to further enhance this. They can also get a high parry weapon and use foresight to enhance parry as well. Basically it comes down to them being the only war class that can wield a shield, but at the same time, gladiators usually sacrifice lots of their damage and weapon skills for more defense and enmity abilities. this makes them the slowest to grab a good amount of hate. They also hold hate poorly because steady damage holds better hate and for longer than these enmity abilities. Even with max HP gladiators can still quickly go down on Batraal if swords come up at a bad time, or any number of things.

Once jobs are introduced we may see a clear leader but for now each of the 3 tank classes has it's strength and weakness.