So votekick >abuse< is practically allowed?

[ZaenKael]

This is why you're not going to see S-E step into most matters regarding player disputes, they'll step in if you've been vote-kicked in DF due to reasons about loot sure, but you won't see them step in if a player gets vote-kicked for being below the recommended item level, or because a player wiped repeatedly to the same mechanic.

There is no right or wrong answer regarding those situations, regardless of what anyone wants to believe, so S-E's best bet is just to leave it up to majority vote, because if they take a side, that would lead to more abuse of either the vote kick system, or of people abusing the fact that they can't be vote kicked over a particular reason.

[Riepah]

Funny, I've repeatedly kicked people for the things you say "no" to and yet.. I'm still here! I also specifically asked a GM about those cases and the response was that it would need an investigation, not a flat out "no", which means a kick for those reasons can be justified when used appropriately.

Good job, you've just proven again what people already knew and have been discussing here. That's the very reason people are asking for things to change.

Just because SE is too lazy/uncaring to deal with cases, doesn't mean what they therefore currently allow isn't abuse.

[Ellatrix]

Good job, you've just proven again what people already knew and have been discussing here. That's the very reason people are asking for things to change.

Just because SE is too lazy/uncaring to deal with cases, doesn't mean what they therefore currently allow isn't abuse.

So you're asking for one player to continue being the reason a group can't complete a duty with the only resolution to be vote abandon? No, the way things are now is working in an acceptable manner.

[Chihaya]

Did I stepped into Tumblr?

[craig_meredith2003]

I've been kicked from a party three times, twice for dc and once for severe lag. Never considered any abuse even tho they waited till the last boss in Snow cloak. But still didn't consider it abuse because A) I was heals B) lag on the last boss almost=death.

[LunaHoshino]

I'm not going to baby players who are just plain bad. New players are fine; I don't mind wiping a couple of times in a dungeon because someone is learning the ropes or is a little bit undergeared. What I DO mind is when they die over and over again to the same mechanics and don't learn anything from it. If that happens, they're out. My patience only goes so far.

[Kendrik]

While I'm not going to argue with you about there being players that are just plain bad (generally either trolling or just don't care), as someone who takes a particular interest in at least trying to teach new players I think you severely underestimate how bad being new can be. "New" can mean anything from swapping roles but knowing a dungeon to "this is my first MMO or game like it and I've only done a small handful of dungeons and there are so many buttons... HELP!". And if you are willing to help the latter (excellent though they may end up being with enough time and effort) you might just find yourself wiping to the same mistake or to the same small handful of mistakes for quite a long time.

[Amused]

Are there situations when vote kick is warranted? Absolutely.

However, the lesser of two evils would be to remove the function and just use vote abandon, as I said before, as the solution that provides and equivalent outcome for all parties involved.

The community has demonstrated that they're not capable of using the system responsibly.

[NyarukoW]

Are there situations when vote kick is warranted? Absolutely.

However, the lesser of two evils would be to remove the function and just use vote abandon.....

That is not correct. The lesser of two evils is the status quo where players need to actively report vote kick abuse. The vote abandon would concede too much to the trolls who wants to either go AFK or force wipes on purpose. Vote abandon in those cases will be a win for them.

[Riepah]

That is not correct. The lesser of two evils is the status quo where players need to actively report vote kick abuse. The vote abandon would concede too much to the trolls who wants to either go AFK or force wipes on purpose. Vote abandon in those cases will be a win for them.

Just that actively reporting vote kick abuse doesn't do a thing, because SE has a silly definition of what does and what doesn't constitute "vote kick abuse".

However, I also agree that vote kick is a necessary function, vote abandon by itself, as you say, is just making it even easier for people to grief others.