So votekick >abuse< is practically allowed?

[MeiUshu]

Or he can just kick the baddie and finish the run normally.

that happens rarely, most of the time if not each time, you kick the guy and stand there counting the sheeps just before everybody abandons because nobody is coming in or agin not the one you want and paff kick the guy again...how is that more productive I wonder

But people prefer to point fingers and define someone else as the culprit then take their responsability and leave if they dont like something

Mei

[Alukah]

that happens rarely, most of the time if not each time, you kick the guy and stand there counting the sheeps just before everybody abandons because nobody is coming in or agin not the one you want and paff kick the guy again...how is that more productive I wonder

"Happens rarely"

"most of the time"

Isn't that just anecdotal evidence? Want to know my anecdotal evidence? Most people get justified kicks, unjustified kicks happen rarely, most of the time the party gets a replacement right away.

So is your anecdotal evidence right and mine is wrong?

Did you read the anecdotal evidence a few posts earlier of that person who ran out of time in Garuda story mode, do you consider being unable to progress "more productive"?

There's a bit of hypocrisy and confusion here. If SE keeps saying that vote-kicking is between players, why even have those 4 options as to why you are kicking this person? I've heard people complain saying they were kicked for whatever reason that doesn't match those 4 reasons given and SE is just like "Not our problem". If that's the case, why even have that little disclaimer on the bottom of the window that says vote-kick abuse is a punishable act since it's clear SE doesn't get involved with vote-kicks, they obviously aren't gonna punish people for abusing it. It's all very confusing and SE is giving out a bunch of mixed signals.

I don't see the confusion, it says abusing the tool is punishable and they already said what they consider abuse, using it for griefing.

You guys just don't want to accept that you don't decide the rules and that you cannot force a party to bend to the will of one person.

[Lucke]

I don't see the confusion, it says abusing the tool is punishable and they already said what they consider abuse, using it for griefing.

They say it's punishable but I've never seen them act on it. That's the confusion. Maybe they do, I personally have never met/seen/heard of anyone being punished for abusing the feature. They say they'll do it, but don't so...do they or don't they? If they say they act on griefing and show cases of it happening, then that's a good deterrence for people to think "Maybe I shouldn't grief this person because I know SE will put money where their mouth is".

[Aylis]

They say it's punishable but I've never seen them act on it. That's the confusion.

Honestly at this point I believe they don't and never will. If for every person that was vote kicked for whatever reason submitted a petition. That would be a lot of petitions going through daily. If it were me sitting there and having to sort out which is considered griefing, what isn't griefing, who's innocent, who's trolling, was it the players fault or the parties fault. I'd eventually give up reading petitions over vote kicking too.

[NyarukoW]

.... I'd eventually give up reading petitions....

Imagine all the cops took an attitude like that, criminals would run free. You may not care, but do NOT mistake it for SE or the GMs not caring. They do what they can given their human limitations. They will not show you what they do other than their periodic ban wave announcements. In addition to protecting individual privacy/confidentiality, it makes sense, so players don't get to try to game the GMs and use them to troll other players causing even more problems.

[Mogi]

Iv act had a GM chat with me about getting vote kick after i file a complaint so the GMs do look into it and stuff but there not going to say heyyyyyy we ban them for you haha troll

[Aylis]

Imagine all the cops took an attitude like that, criminals would run free..

You really don't watch much of the news do you? lol

ANYWAY fine, I'll bite.

You may not care, but do NOT mistake it for SE or the GMs not caring.

It doesn't take much effort to you know? look around and see things. The same complaints going on over and over over and nothing is changing. Players getting kicked for refusing to skip cut scenes, players getting kicked because they don't wish to speed run, players getting kicked because their rotations ain't up to par to the group. Who's trolling, who isn't trolling. Oh no this small party early pulled an A rank hunt mob and this other party reset it, blah blah blah and every petition under the sun.

If players were civil
If players just met in the middle.
If players didn't troll.
If players would listen and not get defensive over advice.

Then this all wouldn't be a problem now would it? The fact its STILL going on raises questions don't cha think? Maybe that old ban hammer isn't as heavy as people may think. Its not a question of if I care, its a question of how many complaints of stolen sweet rolls the GM's can tolerate.

The community is why we can't have nice things.