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  1. #21
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    Ashkendor Zahirr
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zumi View Post
    I never seen it not tanked in the center.
    Same. Tanking it in the center guarantees your melee will never have to stand in poison (as long as it's properly positioned). Dragging it to the north end of the arena seems less effective, but I guess I see the point about the skeletons. With the dragon in the middle, when things go south with the adds boy do they go SOUTH. >.<

    Quote Originally Posted by Chihaya View Post
    My experience of CT on 2 different data centers.

    Mandragora (Mana) - this method is established and always happens this way with no change
    First Room: Alliance A and C each take a dragon while B takes all elemental.
    Second Room: Alliance A and C each take a demon while B takes all imps.
    Bone Dragon: Alliance B MT and DPS bone dragon at center - Alliance A and C focus on skeleton adds. 1 tank in A+C will take the 1st and 3rd skeleton while the other tank will take the 2nd skeleton.
    I wish more people would do it like this than the hash it ends up being most of the time.

    This is how I was taught to do it, but most can't be bothered.
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    Last edited by Ashkendor; 08-13-2014 at 10:09 AM.

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    Y'kayah Tia
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    I can't comment on that dungeon, but I've had cases (well, one in particular I can think of) where differences of approach led to some ridiculous accusations.

    I was on low-level Roulette with one of my alt characters and got Copperbell. I'm not sure who was new, but we got the "someone is new to this dungeon" notice at the beginning, and three of the four of us were low-level enough to not be level-synced. So when we got to the boss, I suggested the more conservative and intended strategy rather than the more aggressive burn-the-boss strategy that's become more popular lately.

    The thaumaturge railed at me about how I shouldn't give suggestions when I'd clearly never done the dungeon and knew nothing about it. He insisted that burning the boss was the only valid strategy and that it never failed. Well, I had two other characters in their upper 30s or low 40s by then, had done Copperbell many, many times, and was quite familiar with both strategies. I'd seen both succeed, and seen both fail, though proportionally,the faster strategy fails more often. I pointed that out, and I too was accused of lying, because he couldn't accept that any strategy other than the one he was familiar with could ever be legitimately used.

    Ok, not exactly the same situation, since there weren't different Data Centers involved. (At least not so far as I know. Perhaps he was from a different DC before. Anyway, this happened in whichever DC Coeurl is in, as did all my prior experiences with the dungeon.) But the accusation of "lying" for knowing a different strategy was the same.
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  3. #23
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    Sa'niquel Amrita
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    I have seen it tanked to the north once, and that was because the PLD lost hate to a BLM.

    For all the months I had done CT, it was always the middle. I can't believe how mad everyone sounds on NA servers... makes me sad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyrinn View Post
    Oh boy, this thread again.

    Primal data center is the only group of servers that tank the dragon on the wall. All the other servers tank it in the middle. Both methods have their pros and cons. Both methods work, and that's what matters at the end of the day.
    EU Datacenter here, did this fight like 10 times, no one ever tanked it in the middle.
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  5. #25
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    Quote Originally Posted by Niqote View Post
    I can't believe how mad everyone sounds on NA servers... makes me sad.
    It's not everyone on NA. Just some... special people. xD
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    I would never dream of tanking it in the centre, don't get me wrong it's not because I think it's a bad idea it's just that half the time the other tanks are busy provoking the skeletons off each other. I can already see the cluster fk that would soon follow.
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    Aurora Vlondett
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chihaya View Post
    Balmung (Aether):
    First Room: Free for all - chaos - do/call whatever
    Second Room: Free for all - chaos - do/call whatever
    Third Room: Free for all - chaos - do/call whatever
    Bone Dragon: Free for all - chaos - do/call whatever, skeleton blowing up cause no one want to drag them to corners and bone dragon dies before last set of skeleton dies cause switching target is hard.

    Atomos: Only one way to do it really?
    Thanatos: Free for all - chaos - do/call whatever, but tank Thanatos in the middle so people trying to kill the ghost get bitch slapped by Thanatos's AOE too. An who want to hold Succubus, just let them chase the healers around.

    Allagan Bomb: Each team take their own target, clockwise/counterclockwise who cares, mobs right next to each other? MEH. Adds? Who cares, healer heal through that shit.
    King Behemoth: Free for all - chaos - do/call whatever - tanks on tower and picks their noses doing nothing but tower duty

    Archeon: Free for all - chaos - do/call whatever
    I have to wonder how often you ran this on the Aether Datacenter, because baring something stupid happening, none of the fights are completely chaotic with people doing whatever. It honestly sounds like you just put every bad idea for it you could think of in there just for the sake of making comparisons.
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  8. #28
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elven View Post
    I would never dream of tanking it in the centre, don't get me wrong it's not because I think it's a bad idea it's just that half the time the other tanks are busy provoking the skeletons off each other. I can already see the cluster fk that would soon follow.
    SO MUCH THIS OH MY GOD SERIOUSLY. Watching tanks provoke adds off each other makes me want to cry.

    It would be funny watching them run around like crazy if we weren't actually, y'know, trying to pass the instance.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ilenya View Post
    I have to wonder how often you ran this on the Aether Datacenter, because baring something stupid happening, none of the fights are completely chaotic with people doing whatever. It honestly sounds like you just put every bad idea for it you could think of in there just for the sake of making comparisons.
    No, that's pretty accurate these days. I have more bad runs than good in CT.
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  9. #29
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    AFAIK, only Primal data center tanks the Bone Dragon north. I never figured out why but oh well. It doesn't change the fight much if at all to tank it in the middle or to the north.
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    Alukah Bast
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    Quote Originally Posted by Illya View Post
    AFAIK, only Primal data center tanks the Bone Dragon north. I never figured out why but oh well. It doesn't change the fight much if at all to tank it in the middle or to the north.
    According to post #24 Chaos also follows the north strategy.

    The benefit is, it's easier to recover if people mess up, and people always mess up, the con is melee players have to dive in the pool of poison to kill the skeles walking to the bone dragon.

    If no mess ups, tanking in the middle is better, if mess ups, keep skeles as far as possible and you will be fine.
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