How to level DOH

[theimmortalbum]

Hi guys,

I'm almost done with my Atma and have decided I want to SB my gear for Novus materia. I'm WHM, and was told that GSM was the cheapest (and since they make accessories, a good choice) to level over WVR.

My FC recommended I level MIN to 15 and then head down into GSM. My question is.. how on earth do I actually level a DOH? I've looked at guides, but I can't seem to find anything comprehensive. Triple leves seem to be a consensus, so is that the way to go? Do I need to be aiming for HQ for leves?

Also, are there rotations for low level stuff? I've seen a lot of the 2* and 3* rotations, but.. since my DOH are all level 0.. I'm nowhere near that.

Thanks!

[monochromicorn]

triple turn in leves are the way to go, if you can support that. i did triple turn ins all through ALC and lv 35 WVR, and ran out of gil. they take a little more time, but are very worth it. if you can find someone, and pay them a little and provide the mats, and have them HQ for you, you could get to 50 in a matter of days with any craft. that being said, the cheapest way to do it would be to level you gathering classes so you can gather the mats and not have to pay rediculous sums for all of them(like me).

[theimmortalbum]

triple turn in leves are the way to go, if you can support that. i did triple turn ins all through ALC and lv 35 WVR, and ran out of gil. they take a little more time, but are very worth it. if you can find someone, and pay them a little and provide the mats, and have them HQ for you, you could get to 50 in a matter of days with any craft. that being said, the cheapest way to do it would be to level you gathering classes so you can gather the mats and not have to pay rediculous sums for all of them(like me).

So then, it's worth it to level up DOL with DOH as well? If I'm focusing GSM first (only?), I know I'll need MIN - I should keep MIN leveled ahead of GSM then?

[PenelopeWinn]

So then, it's worth it to level up DOL with DOH as well? If I'm focusing GSM first (only?), I know I'll need MIN - I should keep MIN leveled ahead of GSM then?

Yes gathering your own stuff is very worth it.

As for what leves to do, do NOT do triples, the xp has been changed and imo the courier leves are far superior now. id get to about 25 through grinding with mats from guild supplier then start leves. that's how i finished half of mine after the changes.

[monochromicorn]

Yes gathering your own stuff is very worth it.

As for what leves to do, do NOT do triples, the xp has been changed and imo the courier leves are far superior now. id get to about 25 through grinding with mats from guild supplier then start leves. that's how i finished half of mine after the changes.

have they really changed? i havent crafted for at least a month, except for 3 leves where i went to whitebrim to give someone pants. that was 83k for NQ, i thought that was an insane amount, so if they have changed the exp rewards, then definitely do the courier leves and gather your own stuff.

also, i would level WVR if you want to. i regret doing ALC first because crafting gear was so expensive on jenova.

[Giantbane]

So then, it's worth it to level up DOL with DOH as well? If I'm focusing GSM first (only?), I know I'll need MIN - I should keep MIN leveled ahead of GSM then?

First thing should be to get to 15 in every DoH class so you have a bunch of basic cross class skills to work with (can skip armorer if you like).

Should not need to use any leves to get to 15, just sit in the guild and craft stuff using only materials sold by the guild (for cheap) and either sell the results back to the guild, sell it on the market (if profitable enough), or desynthesize it if it's one of the desynth classes you want to level.

And don't bother leveling the DoL class (like mining) to go with it unless you really want that leveled too. That takes forever, especially if you're not using leves (assuming you want to save your leves to level your DoH class).

[monochromicorn]

First thing should be to get to 15 in every DoH class so you have a bunch of basic cross class skills to work with (can skip armorer if you like).

Should not need to use any leves to get to 15, just sit in the guild and craft stuff using only materials sold by the guild (for cheap) and either sell the results back to the guild, sell it on the market (if profitable enough), or desynthesize it if it's one of the desynth classes you want to level.

And don't bother leveling the DoM class (like mining) to go with it unless you really want that leveled too. That takes forever, especially if you're not using leves (assuming you want to save your leves to level your DoH class).

hes wrong only in saying that you shouldnt level the DoL classes. buying those mats cn get very expensive, especially when you have to start paying 500 or more for a mat with a stack of 20-30, and you only need 10. thats an extra 5-10k gil for some intermediate mats. wait till you have to buy some of the mats for lv 45+ crafting recipes.

edit: DoM is disciple of magic, so not really sure if you should trust a guy giving advice if he doesnt know the difference between disciple of magic and disciple of land

[Giantbane]

hes wrong only in saying that you shouldnt level the DoL classes. buying those mats cn get very expensive, especially when you have to start paying 500 or more for a mat with a stack of 20-30, and you only need 10. thats an extra 5-10k gil for some intermediate mats. wait till you have to buy some of the mats for lv 45+ crafting recipes.

edit: DoM is disciple of magic, so not really sure if you should trust a guy giving advice if he doesnt know the difference between disciple of magic and disciple of land

oh, no, there's a typo ... (there I fixed my original post)

it's time vs. money ... you will spend a lot of time leveling your mining class, particularly if you have to split leve allowances between the DoH and the DoL class. I didn't bother leveling any gathering classes until after I had all 8 DoH classes leveled. And yet, by always choosing the most cost effective leve quests (cheapest mats vs. highest return), I ended up with more $$ and more shards than I started with on each and every craft.

Even then, I only chose to level my miner so I could make my retainer a miner. I never do any mining myself and $$ (or making $$ from crafting) has never been an issue for me. DoH gathering is nice if you want to gather your own stuff, but it's not at all necessary if you'd prefer not to do that sort of thing.

also, i would level WVR if you want to. i regret doing ALC first because crafting gear was so expensive on jenova.

This is good advice. In addition to crafting your own DoH gear, if you level WVR to 50, CS2 is an excellent cross class skill that is both useful while leveling and in crafting anything at all (like jewelry to spiritbind, HQ items spiritbind faster). To this end, if you want to grab all the basic skills that you'll want for crafting at 50, consider doing Culnarian to 37 (Steady Hands 2) and Carpenter to 50 (Byregot's Blessing) before your goldsmith. Both of those skills are very, very good for crafting so you'll want them. And if you get them before leveling your goldsmith (along with CS2 from weaver), it will make leveling your goldsmith much easier (easier to HQ items for more XP & $$ when you turn the skill in).

But that's only if you're willing to level 1-3 other classes first before getting back to your goldsmith.


Also, here is a list of every leve turn in for every DoL/DoH class (i *think* they're all up to date):
http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/118...Material-Tiers

very useful to plan which leves you want to do (whether you value the ones that give you the most XP or whether you value the ones that use the cheapest materials vs. gives back the most $$).

[monochromicorn]

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sorry about that attack on the typo, bad day at work, and i had a bad time controlling myself earlier.

it might just be that the economy is better on your server, because it is a lot cheaper, although slightly time consuming, for the DoLs. i got botanist up to 50 in almost a week, but that has saved me over 100k just for crafting mats, and before i leveled botanist, there was no easy way for me to make money. i could gather shards, but that could only get you so far. the crafting mats arent sold in the kind of numbers you actually need for crafting, most are 33 to 99, and if you only need 15, youre paying a lot of extra gil for mats you might not need.

edit: i include in that the amount ive had to spend upgrading my gathering gear. so X amount of gil - gathering gear every 5 levels= roughly 100k.

[theimmortalbum]

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Yeah, I replied without quoting because I'm dumb. You may have convinced me to not level my DoL - it's time consuming, and I have 2-3 hours per night to play, and that includes running my daily expert and high-level. I just got my last Atma last night, and think I may take a break from Animus to level DoH. It seems like a nice change of pace, and it's not like Animus/Novus is going anywhere.

I'm also on Ultros. I'm sitting on ~600k gil right now. I don't mind going broke, since there's nothing I need to buy, but obviously I'd prefer to have money. I should level EVERYTHING DoH to 15, then WVR to 50 (going broke if I need to), CUL to 37, CRP to 50, and then GSM, then the others if I feel so inclined? How far do you think 600k will get me in that respect?

I'd almost think I'd prefer cheapest mats + $$ as opposed to XP, just because of the whole $$ aspect. Is the xp/$$ difference that great between those two extremes?