Holy

[Kageru77]

Ive wondered why Holy, supposedly a WHM all powerful spell, was so weak compared to Final Fantasy 11 where it was awesome. And its because its not even based off WHM main stat, Mind. Why is this? The very name Holy implies its a powerful light based magic attack, and as such shouldnt it be based off the primary stat WHM's?

I asked this in FC chat and noone seemed to get my point. I got: 'its and attack spell and all attack spells are INT based', and 'so you think it should be mind based just because it was like that in another game?' (FF11)

Well, yes I pretty much do. Holy was awesome in 11 if you were daring enough to use it despite the mp expense, so why make it INT based? Other attack spells reserved just for white mages, Aero (2) and Stone (2) i can understand as theyre elemental magic. White mages dont deal in elemental magic, they deal in light magic and Holy is a light magic attack spell.

Surely I cant be the only one to think this...

[DreamWeaver]

Cleric Stance my friend

[Yumi_umi]

Cleric stance and yoshi did neef holy back then due to it being too strong and making blms bitch and whine about it being better than their flare lol.
Also its over use in ye ol wanderer's palace speed runs for myth back then.

[Yumi_umi]

Cleric stance and yoshi did neef holy back then due to it being too strong and making blms bitch and whine about it being better than their flare lol.
Also its over use in ye ol wanderer\\\\'s palace speed runs for myth back then.

Nerf holy*

[Kageru77]

I know I could use clerics stance. that wasnt my point lol. A white mage shouldnt need Clerics Stance to use a light magic attack spell. healing is light magic and so is Holy. thats my point.

[Velox]

I know I could use clerics stance. that wasnt my point lol. A white mage shouldnt need Clerics Stance to use a light magic attack spell. healing is light magic and so is Holy. thats my point.

Lore-wise, no they shouldn't. For the sake of easy programming, it's treated like all offensive skills, which is why it still requires INT instead of MND.

[DreamWeaver]

Not just programming, imagine if all offensive spells other than Holy uses INT, then Holy uses MND....
This will bring cleric stance dancing to a whole new level >_>, besides, you'll be missing out from the 10% extra damage in cleric stance .

[Cassandaria]

I know I could use clerics stance. that wasnt my point lol. A white mage shouldnt need Clerics Stance to use a light magic attack spell. healing is light magic and so is Holy. thats my point.

Okay, I just need to sort this out in my head, you're saying that a white mage, with an ability to make their attack spells more powerful being part of their skillset...should not need to use said skill to make an attack magic skill more powerful because...reasons?
Seriously, any whm attack skill should be buffed BY cleric stance, it's just the way it is and it makes sense in lore, to attack, you give up a portion of your ability to heal, why provide no drawback to use holy, which is already a very powerful skill by removing that? whm skill or not, you forget that the base of your class is essentially a druid, not the classic white mage from other ff lores, it's not light based magic, it's elementally gifted abilities.

[Ghishlain]

While I understand where you're coming from since MND was always the primary attack modifier for any light-based spell in the majority of Final Fantasy, we'll just have to appreciate what Yoshi-P has done to help simplify and streamline the dynamics of the game. In Cleric's Stance, you are still technically using your MND to boost your attack damage, just, in a different way =p

BTW, in my opinion Holy is so much better in this game than in XI outside of select circumstances like below:

[subteraneanbird]

Holy element isn't even an element in this game. Holy is unaspected. So trying to equate an unaspected spell with a stat that doesn't work in this game in the manner you describe is beyond silly. In Cleric Stance its 220 potency which is almost as strong as Flare. Holy is by no means a weak spell.