So It's against the rules to need for another job?....

[Elim]

And they aren't? Once you decide to turn it in for seals or desynth, the item ceases to be for your chosen role in that dungeon. Those other people in the group may very well "need" the item for seals/desynth JUST as much as you. Again, as I said in an earlier post, I won't tell you how to roll, I'll just leave and choose not to play with you. But it is total and utter selfishness. And you'd be a fool to think otherwise.

Okay so both guy A and B want to roll on gear for seals. No problem. Both guy A and B can roll need on pieces for the class they're currently on.

Guy B isn't entitled to every single solitary piece of gear that drops in a dungeon or raid. Why? Because they can't need on every piece.

[ispano]

Okay so both guy A and B want to roll on gear for seals. No problem. Both guy A and B can roll need on pieces for the class they're currently on.

Guy B isn't entitled to every single solitary piece of gear that drops in a dungeon or raid. Why? Because they can't need on every piece.

I never said he was entitled. It's still the fair thing to do since everyone there participated. That and it helps even out the RNG a bit. I mean, you could get only tank drops the whole run and the tank would just take everything. Where if he greeded, everyone would have a CHANCE at something.

You would end up only having the RNG of rolling. And that's the other thing, Need/Greed wasn't designed with this type if thing in mind, WoW made a little progress for it when I played, but that still wasn't quite there. But I guess I'm talking to brick walls here.

[IndigoHawk]

It's not selfish to roll for stuff you want.

There's no reason for tanks or healers to always greed and give up their perks. Tanks and healers are in high demand. Even with the small perk of not rolling against another tank or healer in 4 person content, they are in high demand.

If you think tanks and healers have a great deal because they get a couple extra pieces of gear now and then, then the solution is simple: play as a tank or healer. If that isn't enough to motivate you to change from dps, then you've realized it isn't a big deal and your argument is invalid. If it does motivate you, then great. When you feel like getting a couple pieces of extra gear, help out with the tank and healer shortage.

It's selfish to ask people to give up their perks, when it's so easy to instead change roles and help out if you want those perks.

[ispano]

It's not selfish to roll for stuff you want.

There's no reason for tanks or healers to always greed and give up their perks. Tanks and healers are in high demand. Even with the small perk of not rolling against another tank or healer in 4 person content, they are in high demand.

If you think tanks and healers have a great deal because they get a couple extra pieces of gear now and then, then the solution is simple: play as a tank or healer. If that isn't enough to motivate you to change from dps, then you've realized it isn't a big deal and your argument is invalid. If it does motivate you, then great. When you feel like getting a couple pieces of extra gear, help out with the tank and healer shortage.

It's selfish to ask people to give up their perks, when it's so easy to instead change roles and help out if you want those perks.

I never asked them to. I will play any role I feel like and can play them all well. If someone is rolling need for this reason I will leave, I don't care about the 30 minute timer, I will not play with you. And most of the time, I'm the tank or healer.

So, yes, It's selfish.

[Tupsi]

It's selfish to ask people to give up their perks, when it's so easy to instead change roles and help out if you want those perks.

You do realize the only perk for playing Tank is the fact you'll eventually get a mount when you do so in Coil/Extreme Primals, right? Your perk is not you being entitled to everything just because you're playing an in-demand job, that is selfish. Tanks and Healers already get 'Adventurer in Need' bonuses 99% of the time over DPS. And honestly, the fact it's obvious most lot it for seals over the fresh person who want it to actually use..that's generally why I'd gladly pass.

As much as I'd want seals, I'm not that selfish.

[Dayala]

Unless you've agreed as a group, prior to starting the dungeon pulls at the entrance, to greed on items instead of need, there's absolutely no reason to follow these made up "courtesy" greed rules by other players on different servers. It's not rude nor is it wrong. Need button is there for a reason. You hit greed when you hope the person who's on that job passes the item and your lot is high enough against the others to get it.

You really want the gear, you go on that job or the class that can need on it. You don't want to wait in Q for a dps drop and go as tank for insta-q? Well too bad. The DPS that waited 45+ minutes in Q deserves to lot need on that piece of gear more than your impatient a**.

Don't get me wrong, I only hit need if I'm going to use that gear for something, I hit greed when I just want to turn them in for seals. I find it bit*hy when someone lots need to turn in for seals only but that's their right, they're on the need job - I'm not their moral compass on a game they pay money for.

Did the party need on stuff during the dungeon? If they did, they're hypocrites and they deserve all the GM calls you can muster for kicking you.

[Thaliss]

That many people "Play by MY rules!"...

Calling people selfish or what not. You don't know playtime of other peoples, goals...

In a random instanced group you accept the system the GAME (not you) set in place.

Edit : I don't agree with setting rules in a random group once in an instance even before 1st pull, because this leads to bullying, specially if people setting rules are friends and/or tank/heal.
And I always saw tank/heal asking some lots not the dps (and i play heal/tank as main)

[BobbinT]

As long as it's not a violation by SE law, then there's no problem need/greed it. It's just the matter of personal ethical.

Besides, here's something you all might wanna know: I'm in JP server and greeded majority of dungeon runs, and other party member still "Need" it most of the time. This was a test if JP ppl do respect loot ethics. And since this is what happened coming even from JP server, there's no wrong by doing so. You can only hope to ask nicely using chat logs though.

What @ispano calls by being selfish are already a moot point for a long time now, especially coming from US server which should have worse dealings with loot ethics. Don't know if he plays from 1.0 or not, but what ARR offers for looting system are far better than the old days where loot drops to personal players which can be monopolized by their desires, especially during that beastcoin drops from Hamlet, or that super rare and powerful darklight gears. So many drama back then.

If ppl still bitching about current loot system, then I guess they won't survive the harsh 1.0 looting system.

So, in my own point of view: this is not selfish. And if @ispano still insist, why not point finger @ SE directly than to posters here? SE (or Yoshi) implement current loot system, so they/he's the selfish one, no?

[Felis]

So if a DRG can roll NEED on it it's not Tank armor? Good thing DRG can roll NEED on this set.

If tank and drg need on it, then it depends on who win. But there was no DRG in the party.

[Aegis]

Wow, SE could not have made this system more cut and dry, yet still people complain about it being 'unfair'.

If you can need on it, you are entitled to need on it. There's no 'but it's drg armour, not tank armour', it's both. If it weren't both then the Tank couldn't Need it. It evens out, you can need on healing or ranged gear that the tank can't. Even if you don't get the gear you want, the gear you do get can be traded in with your GC for equivalent ilevel GC tanking gear.

With the speed of levelling and the ease of levelling dungeons in this game there's no gear that's useful to someone pre-50 for more than a couple of hours of playtime anyway (5 levels in a couple of hours is hardly difficult). You're better off in SB'able crafted gear anyway, at least you can get some gil out of it.