So It's against the rules to need for another job?....

[Dayala]

Unless you've agreed as a group, prior to starting the dungeon pulls at the entrance, to greed on items instead of need, there's absolutely no reason to follow these made up "courtesy" greed rules by other players on different servers. It's not rude nor is it wrong. Need button is there for a reason. You hit greed when you hope the person who's on that job passes the item and your lot is high enough against the others to get it.

You really want the gear, you go on that job or the class that can need on it. You don't want to wait in Q for a dps drop and go as tank for insta-q? Well too bad. The DPS that waited 45+ minutes in Q deserves to lot need on that piece of gear more than your impatient a**.

Don't get me wrong, I only hit need if I'm going to use that gear for something, I hit greed when I just want to turn them in for seals. I find it bit*hy when someone lots need to turn in for seals only but that's their right, they're on the need job - I'm not their moral compass on a game they pay money for.

Did the party need on stuff during the dungeon? If they did, they're hypocrites and they deserve all the GM calls you can muster for kicking you.

[Thaliss]

That many people "Play by MY rules!"...

Calling people selfish or what not. You don't know playtime of other peoples, goals...

In a random instanced group you accept the system the GAME (not you) set in place.

Edit : I don't agree with setting rules in a random group once in an instance even before 1st pull, because this leads to bullying, specially if people setting rules are friends and/or tank/heal.
And I always saw tank/heal asking some lots not the dps (and i play heal/tank as main)

[BobbinT]

As long as it's not a violation by SE law, then there's no problem need/greed it. It's just the matter of personal ethical.

Besides, here's something you all might wanna know: I'm in JP server and greeded majority of dungeon runs, and other party member still "Need" it most of the time. This was a test if JP ppl do respect loot ethics. And since this is what happened coming even from JP server, there's no wrong by doing so. You can only hope to ask nicely using chat logs though.

What @ispano calls by being selfish are already a moot point for a long time now, especially coming from US server which should have worse dealings with loot ethics. Don't know if he plays from 1.0 or not, but what ARR offers for looting system are far better than the old days where loot drops to personal players which can be monopolized by their desires, especially during that beastcoin drops from Hamlet, or that super rare and powerful darklight gears. So many drama back then.

If ppl still bitching about current loot system, then I guess they won't survive the harsh 1.0 looting system.

So, in my own point of view: this is not selfish. And if @ispano still insist, why not point finger @ SE directly than to posters here? SE (or Yoshi) implement current loot system, so they/he's the selfish one, no?

[Aegis]

Wow, SE could not have made this system more cut and dry, yet still people complain about it being 'unfair'.

If you can need on it, you are entitled to need on it. There's no 'but it's drg armour, not tank armour', it's both. If it weren't both then the Tank couldn't Need it. It evens out, you can need on healing or ranged gear that the tank can't. Even if you don't get the gear you want, the gear you do get can be traded in with your GC for equivalent ilevel GC tanking gear.

With the speed of levelling and the ease of levelling dungeons in this game there's no gear that's useful to someone pre-50 for more than a couple of hours of playtime anyway (5 levels in a couple of hours is hardly difficult). You're better off in SB'able crafted gear anyway, at least you can get some gil out of it.

[Niwashi]

It's still the fair thing to do since everyone there participated. That and it helps even out the RNG a bit. I mean, you could get only tank drops the whole run and the tank would just take everything. Where if he greeded, everyone would have a CHANCE at something.

Actually, no, it doesn't even out the RNG. It's as likely for the tank to win all the RNG rolls if everyone greeds as it is for only tank gear to drop. It just changes when the randomness comes into play, whether it's in determining which pieces drop, or in determining who gets them.

So long as everyone is following the same standard, overall gear distribution should be fairly balanced. Either each player has certain items they can Need on and a random chance of those dropping, or else everyone using Greed with a random chance of winning the roll against each other on each piece.

The times you end up with uneven distribution are when different players are playing by different rules. If some are skipping the Need option and just Greeding everything, while others are Needing what they can and Greeding the rest, then you'll get an unfair distribution. But that unfair distribution can't be blamed on one particular side. Both are equally at fault for not coordinating with each other what they're doing. (Unless, of course, they did coordinate a plan and one side broke it. That's the only case when there's someone to blame for unequal distribution.)

When playing with a random group, you have to accept that, despite whether it's your preferred distribution plan or not, the default plan the group as a whole has is the one established by the game itself. The game software has already established a rule that (baring a few special cases like Unique items you already have) you can Need on anything appropriate to your current class/job, and can Greed on anything else. So if you care about equal distribution, then that's the rule you should be following in all random groups. To follow any other rule, you should have a PF party with loot rules in the PF description.

If someone is rolling need for this reason I will leave

Now that I'm curious about, specifically the "for this reason" part. When someone else in a group rolls on something, how in the world do you decide what their reasons are? It's possible they might want to trade it in for seals, but it's also possible that they may want it for an alt class or cosmetic. Maybe they've been farming this instance over and over for weeks just trying to get this specific item because it's the final piece they need to complete their outfit. It might even be the only reason they're currently playing the job that can Need on it (which would make the suggestion that they shouldn't Need on it rather inane).

Now I actually agree with you when it comes to rolling Need to sell or turn in for seals. But I'd never just assume that's the case when somebody rolls on something. It sounds like that's likely what happened with the OP. He actually did need the gear as gear, not for seals or gil. But the rest of the group acted like he was being greedy to take his loot.

[ispano]

Now that I'm curious about, specifically the "for this reason" part. When someone else in a group rolls on something, how in the world do you decide what their reasons are? It's possible they might want to trade it in for seals, but it's also possible that they may want it for an alt class or cosmetic. Maybe they've been farming this instance over and over for weeks just trying to get this specific item because it's the final piece they need to complete their outfit. It might even be the only reason they're currently playing the job that can Need on it (which would make the suggestion that they shouldn't Need on it rather inane).

Now I actually agree with you when it comes to rolling Need to sell or turn in for seals. But I'd never just assume that's the case when somebody rolls on something. It sounds like that's likely what happened with the OP. He actually did need the gear as gear, not for seals or gil. But the rest of the group acted like he was being greedy to take his loot.

It depends on what they're rolling for. Usually when you SEE them with that piece as glamour, ie you know they've already gotten it. Now in this particular case they might have turned in the old one or desynthed it, but that could be on purpose too. But when it comes down to accessories and especially belts. You can't glamour belts at all. So if theirs is better already, it's a pretty clear indicator, and with acc, it's almost always a clear indicator due to them being good for GSM desynth.

Basically only if it's almost guaranteed do I ditch. I don't roll on things in low level dungeons in the first place, so someone needing an item for an alt class has no purpose, since it would use the same thing as they are currently using, meaning they are needing for the current class/job as well.

[Lamentations]

I do not do duty finder outside of FC these days at all, I know these people and we all know what someone needs or discuss it on the run.

There is "no" official standard mechanic that says you have to pass on gear because you didn't "come on that role", so you either have a knight in shining armor for a heart, or you don't, without the difference none of us would "know" the difference, I simply refuse to associate with the latter.

It's life, for better or worse, real people play MMO's, in that respect it is "real life".

If I was doing pugs at all I would just pass on everything, because I have no patience for people who apply rules of any kind to a system that was designed with close to none.

Hunts is another glaring example, while I think it is laughable SE may have assumed players would approach hunts in a mature matter, I think they knew better, or should have.

Some might blame this on SE, however reacting like infants is after all finally in the players ballcourt, Se is not responsible for people being immature idiots.

If my FC ever drops to the point where my DF isn't 100% within those ranks ill just bug out and find another game.

Expecting gamers to act reasonably under the current loot/roll system is sheer fantasy in a game with a 13 year old entry age, many people less than 30 these days are real character train wrecks.

Seeing its mine loots! in chat would just make me drop automatically and blist whoever made the noise.

[Niwashi]

It depends on what they're rolling for. Usually when you SEE them with that piece as glamour, ie you know they've already gotten it. Now in this particular case they might have turned in the old one or desynthed it, but that could be on purpose too. But when it comes down to accessories and especially belts. You can't glamour belts at all. So if theirs is better already, it's a pretty clear indicator, and with acc, it's almost always a clear indicator due to them being good for GSM desynth.

Basically only if it's almost guaranteed do I ditch. I don't roll on things in low level dungeons in the first place, so someone needing an item for an alt class has no purpose, since it would use the same thing as they are currently using, meaning they are needing for the current class/job as well.

Ok, that makes some sense when you're talking about endgame gear. I was thinking about it in terms of leveling dungeons. If I'm on my level 39 Bard running Halatali, and a level 20 DoW piece drops, I may well want it for my lancer or pugilist. They'll be able to equip level 20 gear relatively soon (16 now), but it will be quite a bit longer before they can equip anything my Bard is currently wearing. So wearing good level 39 gear doesn't indicate a lack of need for good level 20 gear. (I still have the gear my archer was wearing back at level 20, but most of it isn't particularly good.)

If you're talking endgame, though, where the equippable level is the same for a wide variety of gear and it's only the Item Level that goes up, then yes, I can see how it would get easier to see if any job that can equip the dropped loot could also equip the much better item someone already has. So thanks for the explanation.

[Buff_Archer]

If I'm on my level 39 Bard running Halatali, and a level 20 DoW piece drops, I may well want it for my lancer or pugilist. They'll be able to equip level 20 gear relatively soon (16 now), but it will be quite a bit longer before they can equip anything my Bard is currently wearing. So wearing good level 39 gear doesn't indicate a lack of need for good level 20 gear. (I still have the gear my archer was wearing back at level 20, but most of it isn't particularly good.)

That makes sense, I took the same approach like for example when running a lower level dungeon on my lvl 50 BLM and casting/healing gear with INT/MND dropped which my Conjurer/WHM would be able to use when they get to that level.... especially if it isn't aetherial stuff but some green themed dungeon gear I never had in my collection. Unless I'm in an antisocial team, if I roll on something to use for another class of the same type that no ones asked for because they clearly need it like a caster who isn't level synch'd and well equipped (for whom I'd pass) I might say like 'yay I totally need this on my WHM' if I win the roll and it's clear I didn't do it for my own class.

And ppl should realize that level 50 players who join lower level roulette are often there to help others be able to clear the dungeon. And that a DPS had to wait in queue for the privilege of doing so. But in my case, I made the decision to never again do Low Level Roulette on a lvl 50 character. The last straw was when I did Cutter's Cry with a new Scholar in there who wasn't very good- I gave a bit of advice like with placing pet near the tank vs on follow in the situations where we wiped because of tank not being healed enough, but none of it was criticism. And still it was me keeping both the Scholar and Tank from the brink of death with Physick while DPS'ing and sleeping aggro chasing the SCH through a lot of the dungeon. I was the one who explained the last boss for the first-timer as we went in, not the tank or other DPS, and when the SCH got it wrong with Chimera's blue/violet, and the time they kited the lightening ball back into the party and got paralysis I kept them and the tank from the brink of death, all while downing the boss with the other DPS. I passed pretty everything I could have needed on as a caster for the healer, except one hat I won a Need roll on for my WHM. 0 Commendations. That may seem petty to remark this, and I don't certainly don't expect one every the time, but this was a turning point for me- if you don't main a Tank/Healer and you've done the work of multiple party members, and answered all their questions etc. for no appreciation at the end, you might get where I'm coming from. Never again, I have plenty of ways to earn tomes on my lvl 50 char's without doing low level roulette.

[Shori]

As with many whove posted here have said: if they wanted tank loot then they should have tanked. Couldnt be clearer.
However, I'd advise OP to take the image down as its a form of naming and shaming. I (we) are on your side but dont want you getting a telling off from the mods.