Ban kicked players from instance for the remainder of said instance.

[MeiUshu]

When a person is kicked for harassment/afk/whatever other reason they have the opportunity to join again through duty finder's "Join in progress". Multiple times I have experienced a person being kicked and then sits with DF open queueing for the instance and manages to join multiple times.

Party members can only vote to kick once every 4 hours so after 3 rejoins the griefer can just sit there afk until everybody has to abandon.

Banning the player from entering that specific instance after being kicked will remove this common griefing tactic.

the reason for kicking someone arent always correct. Did you take this into account?..people use harrassement to justitfy a kick but in fact it wasnt, more then not the guy did absolutely nothing if not to be not good but since you need a reason to kick, often then not is the *harrassement* that is being used.

what you propose is not correct because simply people arent always kicked for the TRUE reason.

Mei

[Assirra]

the reason for kicking someone arent always correct. Did you take this into account?..people use harrassement to justitfy a kick but in fact it wasnt, more then not the guy did absolutely nothing if not to be not good but since you need a reason to kick, often then not is the *harrassement* that is being used.

what you propose is not correct because simply people arent always kicked for the TRUE reason.

Mei

And is the current situation so much better? You have people demanding vote kick if they are not in the dungeon they want otherwise they will do everything to make you do so.
Vote kick should give the same or more amount of "not allowed to join" time then just leaving a dungeon. What is the point of a punishment (which it should be used as) if its actually a reward for being a prick.

And i bet more people will use it for good use rather then for harrsement (which can be reported)

[themadnun]

And is the current situation so much better? You have people demanding vote kick if they are not in the dungeon they want otherwise they will do everything to make you do so.
Vote kick should give the same or more amount of "not allowed to join" time then just leaving a dungeon. What is the point of a punishment (which it should be used as) if its actually a reward for being a prick.

And i bet more people will use it for good use rather then for harrsement (which can be reported)

I'm not suggesting a punishment - simply that you can't end up back in the same party as the people who kicked you from (their particular instance), so you can requeue with in-progress freely without worrying about getting in with the people who kicked you again.

Votekick can and is abused, so sticking a penalty time would sometimes be punishing a victim.

[Assirra]

I'm not suggesting a punishment - simply that you can't end up back in the same party as the people who kicked you from (their particular instance), so you can requeue with in-progress freely without worrying about getting in with the people who kicked you again.

Votekick can and is abused, so sticking a penalty time would sometimes be punishing a victim.

Votekick is supposed to be a punishment. Hence why you got reasons like "afk, cheating, harssement" and so forth. But no we cannot change it to make it usefull.
I swear everyone is paranoid on these forums thinking "yea but the big bad bullies will abuse it" and now we got rampart abuse the other way.
Even not allowing to join the same party, that person can just screw another party.

[themadnun]

Votekick is supposed to be a punishment. Hence why you got reasons like "afk, cheating, harssement" and so forth. But no we cannot change it to make it usefull.
I swear everyone is paranoid on these forums thinking "yea but the big bad bullies will abuse it" and now we got rampart abuse the other way.
Even not allowing to join the same party, that person can just screw another party.

I suppose that carries some weight, but it's a different topic. Afk though - I don't believe this really deserves a punishment. Real life happens around people, I don't want some person getting a DF cooldown because their kids have just started throwing up and they've got to go take care of them, for example. At the same time I don't wanna wait for the person to get back, if they get to come back at all.

[MeiUshu]

And is the current situation so much better? You have people demanding vote kick if they are not in the dungeon they want otherwise they will do everything to make you do so.
Vote kick should give the same or more amount of "not allowed to join" time then just leaving a dungeon. What is the point of a punishment (which it should be used as) if its actually a reward for being a prick.

And i bet more people will use it for good use rather then for harrsement (which can be reported)

it is..if the vote ban kick happens is because the maority did vote yes..right ? is far better then having an innocent being kicked because he is not up to paar with the rest with the wrong stigma harrassement and punishing him as to not register into any instance for whatever the time without him being at fault or even guilty for what he was accused..IF that is to be implemented GM then need to check into this and validate or invalidate the ban...

the solution proposed will create more problem then there are already...The real problem are people voting *yes* to the little box...and overall incapacity to use a tool for what is intended, acka kick people fore REAL reasons harrassement being, in my opinion, the only one that justifies a *punishment* as OP forsees it...nothing else does.

If you believe that people will use it only for *good reasons* you are totally very much mistaken...and I suggest that you remove blinders or use DF or for that matter even PF more often and when I say more often I mean more often like..only DF day in and day out ad not occasionally only and you will soon realize that reasons to kick people are 90 % wrong and 10 % right.

Sorry vote kick is already a tool that shoujld nto have been implemented in the first place, adding this kind of wish of the populace will give even more power to immature people to handle a tool for adults.

Mei

[themadnun]

it is..if the vote ban kick happens is because the maority did vote yes..right ? is far better then having an innocent being kicked because he is not up to paar with the rest with the wrong stigma harrassement and punishing him as to not register into any instance for whatever the time without him being at fault or even guilty for what he was accused..IF that is to be implemented GM then need to check into this and validate or invalidate the ban...


Mei

You misunderstand the intention. Please read the edit on the OP, where I have attempted to clarify.

[themadnun]

the reason for kicking someone arent always correct. Did you take this into account?..people use harrassement to justitfy a kick but in fact it wasnt, more then not the guy did absolutely nothing if not to be not good but since you need a reason to kick, often then not is the *harrassement* that is being used.

what you propose is not correct because simply people arent always kicked for the TRUE reason.

Mei

Irrelevant. If you're kicked for no good reason you don't want to get back into that instance with those people who kicked you. This just means you won't end up back in the same instance as those players, which is good for you.

[PixelPirate]

This just happened to me last night. Kicked a troll for trolling. Then said troll queues right back into the exact same dungeon from which he was just kicked. He laughed at us and we were all forced to abandon the dungeon #thxsquareenix.

[Dayala]

Too bad it's not like 1.0 where you could switch jobs in dungeons, it would solve a lot of problems (and I'm sure raise a million more from a game / dev point of view) It was amazing to switch on a dime to meet the pt needs.

Myself, I've suffered through trolls rejoining parties - depending on the job you kicked, you might have to just straight up abandon. If you kick a tank, you're most likely going to have them back immediately. It's awful. Had the same issue with Moogle Ex, we kicked an undergeared tank who couldn't rub two brain cells together to follow directions and they just kept rejoining and pulling the boss as soon as they loaded. We had to abandon.

Generally unpleasant.