SE, can you please make a definitive statement on your stance on parsers?

[ghostx1984]

From what I have gather on the internet, it is okay to parse and check your damage in game, but not okay to talk about it in game. This stance is disingenuous.

It seems to me that you aren't doing anything to inhibit pc players from using parsers while at the same time refusing to put a damage meter in the game for PS4 players.

As a PS4 player, I feel like a second class citizen playing ffxiv. I've looked at many top ranked fcs and nearly every one of them requires parses to merely apply. PS4 players can't monitor their dps output to tighten our rotations. In trying to shield newby players from harassment, you are inhibiting ps4 players from being taken seriously.

Can you please make a definitive statement on where you stand with parsers and what you are doing to stop their use if they are deemed illicit? Because honestly if you were remove every player who used a parser, i'm willing to bet you'd lose all 10 or so of your most bleeding edge raiding fcs.

[Krr]

From what I have gather on the internet, it is okay to parse and check your damage in game, but not okay to talk about it in game. This stance is disingenuous..

The definitive statement is that unless you speak about it ingame, there is nothing that can be done technologically to detect it without violating user privacy in unethical and possibly illegal ways. How is that disingenuous?

[ghostx1984]

It's disingenuous that they have not come out and said what you just said. It's messed up that they haven't done anything to allow PS4 players the same advantages.

Disingenuous is about the nicest word i could come up with for the current situation I find myself in as a PS4 player who wants to do progression raiding and had been instantly turned down twice due to not having a parser. I believe I have found a group I can join now where they'll at least give me a shot but I still find myself very annoyed that they are letting such a huge double standard float.

I play games like this because they create an equal playing field. Everyone starts off on the same foot. It's not like life where some people are born with tremendous advantages. But seems here in ffxiv you need to be playing on a PC if you want to be playing at the highest level and that's just something i will have to accept.

I made the mistake of starting on Jenova and i'd say 90% of the playerbase on ps4s doesn't give a crap about raiding anyways. I think I may have found a group to join on another server who will accept me despite playing on a ps4 but i really wish square would do something about this "haves and have nots" situation.

I'd be at least satisfied with a damage meter.

You stand to lose alot more players who never learn to play their class properly than you do with people quitting because they suck. People can learn to play better if you give them the right tools and the right information. If you keep them ignorant they will never get better and then you will just end up having to design your raids to be cakewalks that the higher end groups find boring and too easy.

[DoubleT]

It's disingenuous that they have not come out and said what you just said.

They have come out an said exactly what he said, many, many, many, many times. Moderators of these forums, and even Yoshi P himself in interviews when asked about it, have all stated that it is currently against the rules. And on top of that, it has been written in the ToS for the entire history of this game, since 1.0 beta. The real question is how many times are ya'll gonna ask the same question and expect a different answer?

[ghostx1984]

And just to clarify, I have nothing against parsers. I think it's great they have way to gauge their performance.

What I have a problem with is that you have created a double standard by which only pc players have access to this information and your stance seems to be that it is okay that they have these benefits as long as they keep PS4 players ignorant of them which I am totally not okay with.

Because then what you are doing is bascially handing all of your server firsts on a platter to people playing on pc and it isn't about skill. There simply is no way for a ps4 player to compete with having that type of information to make improvements and adjustments.

All i'm asking for is a damage meter in an mmo so that I dont have to be deemed a liability due to my choice of playing on a PS4. I don't think i'm asking for too much here. A damage meter wouldnt even be on the level with a parser which would allow you to pinpoint how much damage each individual did on something like a dark matter bulb for example or any other critical add that needed to die to improve a strategy.

[Ooshima]

Because then what you are doing is bascially handing all of your server firsts on a platter to people playing on pc and it isn't about skill. There simply is no way for a ps4 player to compete with having that type of information to make improvements and adjustments.

Wow wow wow! So parsers hands out server firsts to people huh?

[ghostx1984]

Wow wow wow! So parsers hands out server firsts to people huh?

Player A: we'll call him... idk. Buron Aelmont plays 16 hours a day, knows the ins and outs of his class, reads up on the forums, checks out the spreadsheets, and wants to raid in a dedicated endgame group that takes the game seriously

Player B: same as above but plays on a pc

Player A is automatically disqualified for playing a ps4. No consideration is given for his abilities or lack theerof. The fact that he is on a PS4 is enough information to warrant him a bad. This was the case for more than one high rank endgame raid fc I was looking to move to over the past few weeks. SO YES they are limiting firsts to many pc players exclusively.

[Nekodar]

Player A is automatically disqualified for playing a ps4. No consideration is given for his abilities or lack theerof. The fact that he is on a PS4 is enough information to warrant him a bad. This was the case for more than one high rank endgame raid fc I was looking to move to over the past few weeks. SO YES they are limiting firsts to many pc players exclusively.

AFAIK, BG got firsts for T5 and T9 with PS3 users...

[Souljacker]

SO YES they are limiting firsts to many pc players exclusively.

It has nothing to do with parses, though. I can pretty much guarantee you that the player in question was given the reason of not having a parse, but top tier guilds don't want to play with console players due to console inefficiency, period - not to mention a deep mistrust and hatred of voice chat by much of the console community.

I don't care how good you think you are - you will still never be better than even the worst PC link in one of those top guilds. These are serious players on serious equipment. So if what you are saying is SE is limiting world firsts to PC players by the game existing on PC, you are probably right.

I still think that SE needs to get off their high horse in regards to parsers and other modern tools for gamers who want to improve their gameplay. It's not the end of the world if someone asks you to improve your DPS. You just do it, and then no one ever "harasses" you about it ever again.

[ghostx1984]

As an mmo vet from WoW who had warglaives pre nerfs and every server first up to Ulduar before stopping to finish my degree I couldn't even get the time of day playing on a PS4 from a few groups who I will keep nameless when I saw they had recruitment posts up a few weeks ago because guess what... I cant put a parse in my application which is a requirement many of them have. Immediately declined by two groups right off the bat due to not having a parse.

I find it very insulting that as a PS4 player, i can't be taken seriously in a game I've been dedicating nearly 16 hours a day to because of your flawed stance on the issue and that you're against having damage meters added to the game at the same time.

Honestly if you aren't even willing to give us a damage meter, i can't see how you want ps4 players to stick with the game longterm. It's a bit aggravating to say the least.