SMN BIS 2.3

[get0_death_wcc]

So I haven't found anything about this so I figured I'd ask here. Have been wondering what is the SMN BIS gear?

[Zamii]

BiS between 2.2 and 2.3 hasn't and wont change, without the introduction of any new i110 pieces none of the BiS lists have changed.
that said, the SMN BiS in particular is a hotly disputed topic, lot of people number crunching to find the best list (myself included) but they are all so close that its near impossible to give an absolute answer to which is the best outright.

[pacifist0rz]

This is arguably the BIS setup: http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/N9A9

However, the bottom line is it doesn't really matter. I made what is probably considered the "worst in slot" setup (while maintaining ilvl110 and the acc cap): http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/N9A7. In the simulators the "worst in slot" setup is only a loss of 6.2 DPS (~1.5%)


Edit just for fun, this is the BIS while never stepping foot into SCoB (while maintaining the acc cap): http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/N9FI. In the simulators this is only a DPS loss of 13.2 (~3.2%)

[YanderePrincess]

BiS between 2.2 and 2.3 hasn't and wont change, without the introduction of any new i110 pieces none of the BiS lists have changed.

Didn't 2.3 add i90 crafted accessories, which when pentamelded can potentially be better than the i110 stuff? I know this is something that changed on the BiS list for BLM, so might change smn, too.

[get0_death_wcc]

Ok so Basically a crit build would b better was just wondering cuz I wasn't sure if a det build would b better or not I can't really do much testing myself cuz I'm on ps4

[Elkya95]

Okay insert someone beating a dead horse or something, I just didn't wanna make a new thread.
So my alt joined a static as a sch, but it now seems I'll have to be the smn it's i93 and all, but I'm wondering which st pieces to go for, I have the sold pants and belt, rest of the left side is a mix between allagan and myth.

[Judge_Xero]

A nice option I am using on Summoner is after upgrading the Weathered Evenstar Ring of Casting, to just get another Weathered Evenstar Ring.

IMO it's probably better than the High Allagan Ring, although you lose 2 INT, you get 12 Crit (since Spell Speed is essentially worth 0 on Summoner), and it's a good option early on when you are needing that extra accuracy.

[sasdas]

Judgment ring of casting should be better than High Allagan Ring, Has 17 crit and 9 det
http://xivdb.com/?item/8354/Judgment-Ring-of-Casting
As long as you meet the acc req in coil.

[pacifist0rz]

Note that for this post I will be using the coefficients from http://ffxiv.ariyala.com (even though my testing has shown that crit should be weighted higher than this)
WP = 6.57
Int = 1
Crit = 0.211
Det = 0.283
SS = 0.094

Judgment ring of casting should be better than High Allagan Ring, Has 17 crit and 9 det
http://xivdb.com/?item/8354/Judgment-Ring-of-Casting
As long as you meet the acc req in coil.

This statement is totally correct.

2 int + 13 spell SS from HA = 3.2
17 crit + 9 det from Judgement ring = 6.1 (+2.9)

However now we need to focus on that last sentence "As long as you meet the acc req in coil." Any BIS build will be hovering right around the Acc cap, so we still need to figure out a way to make up the lost Acc from the HA ring.
Lets look at some possibilities...

Earrings (swap HA with Sold):
HA = 19 crit + 9 det = 6.6
Sold = 13 det = 3.7 (-2.9)

Boots (swap Sold with HA):
Sold = 25 crit + 18 SS = 7.0
HA = 18 crit = 3.8 (-3.2)

Wrist (swap Sold with HA):
Sold = 13 crit + 13 det = 6.4
HA = 13 crit = 2.7 (-3.7)

As you can see, any swap that you make will cancel out the gains from the judgement ring, with the boots or wrist swap actual being worse. Also not for someone like me who values crit more than http://ffxiv.ariyala.com, even the earring swap is worse.

[Havenchild]

Note that for this post I will be using the coefficients from http://ffxiv.ariyala.com (even though my testing has shown that crit should be weighted higher than this)
WP = 6.57
Int = 1
Crit =0.211
Det = 0.283
SS = 0.094



This statement is totally correct.

2 int + 13 spell SS from HA = 3.2
17 crit + 9 det from Judgement ring = 6.1 (+2.9)

However now we need to focus on that last sentence "As long as you meet the acc req in coil." Any BIS build will be hovering right around the Acc cap, so we still need to figure out a way to make up the lost Acc from the HA ring.
Lets look at some possibilities...

Earrings (swap HA with Sold):
HA = 19 crit + 9 det = 6.6
Sold = 13 det = 3.7 (-2.9)

Boots (swap Sold with HA):
Sold = 25 crit + 18 SS = 7.0
HA = 18 crit = 3.8 (-3.2)
Wris (swap Sold with HA):
Sold = 13 crit + 13 det = 6.4
HA = 13 crit = 2.7 (-3.7)

As you can see, any swap that you make will cancel out the gains from the judgement ring, with the boots or wrist swap actual being worse. Also not for someone like me who values crit more than http://ffxiv.ariyala.com, even the earring swap is worse.

The thing about these stat weighs especially when spell speed comes into focus, is spell speed is largely useless on the class overall and more so atm due to the current bug with Pets & Enhanced Pet Actions.

Every time you cast Ruin 2 (which you should be for maximum DPS rotations prior to using Fester) and Bio (Refreshing a main DoT), Spell speed becomes more and more useless overall.

This makes swapping in some parts on the left side more beneficial for the sake of higher ACC. While the earrings are better on a direct comparison, comparing weighted gains from both, there is virtually no build you can make with those earrings that can't be outdone by another using the evenstar earrings when aiming to satisfy the current Coil Cap.