the hunts made me hate this community now

[ZReport]

You should understand that Hunts is the Flavor of the Month event until 2.4 rolls around. It would be as bad once that patch drops, and things will return to some normalcy (i.e., everyone will abandon it for the next big craze, meaning Coil 10, NIN and new relic upgrade).

There really doesn't need to be some sort of fix for people abandoning dungeons to do Hunts; people leave dungeons for other reasons too, both RL and in-game. Should they also be punished via Hunts for the same thing? A woman abandons a dungeon without talking straight up to take care of her baby IRL, should she be punished on Hunt rewards because of it? Not being able to reenter a dungeon for a predetermined amount of time after abandoning it is punishment enough.

[Evangela]

yeah, hunts at this moment create more hates in the community than something like PvP. that's very weird.

[murdercat]

There really doesn't need to be some sort of fix for people abandoning dungeons to do Hunts; people leave dungeons for other reasons too, both RL and in-game. Should they also be punished via Hunts for the same thing? A woman abandons a dungeon without talking straight up to take care of her baby IRL, should she be punished on Hunt rewards because of it? Not being able to reenter a dungeon for a predetermined amount of time after abandoning it is punishment enough.

I do not think a women would not need to take care of her baby IRL then immediately do a hunt afterwards. I am totally comfortable with people who abandon the game for RL matters, and a 30 minute wait probably will not matter as much if you really need to get something in IRL to be done with. However, I find it very unethical to abandon your party for some other personal benefits in the game.

[Murakamo]

DONT FORGET TO POKE TO QUACK BOT.

Also, I love hunts.

[ZReport]

I do not think a women would not need to take care of her baby IRL then immediately do a hunt afterwards. I am totally comfortable with people who abandon the game for RL matters, and a 30 minute wait probably will not matter as much if you really need to get something in IRL to be done with. However, I find it very unethical to abandon your party for some other personal benefits in the game.

It was just a general example, probably one that was too extreme. However the point was, people have various reasons why they leave a dungeon abruptly. Maybe they simply don't like the party and want to leave. Maybe they have friends who just showed up IRL and they didn't want to focus on a dungeon. Maybe his or her significant other just brought food home. Maybe they've run out of time to do a long dungeon but want some quick myth and soldiery. In all these examples as well as other hypothetical examples, someone could justify doing a quick hunt instead.

I wouldn't say "unethical". "Mean", "selfish" or "uncaring" would be more correct. Regardless of how we see it, the fact of the matter is just about everyone in game is doing something for a personal benefit in game be it more gear or otherwise. The event that provides the quickest and easiest upgrade right now is spamming hunts. Such is general human selfishness, something you see in any other MMO as well as in reality. Remember Prae and CM in the end days of patch 2.05? How experienced players forced newbies to skip all cutscenes to progress the run? (Something that's still a problem today). This was no more selfish than what you see now. How about patch 2.2~2.25 with all of the unwanted Brayflox speedruns? For that matter what about 2.1~2.15 and all of the WP & AK speedruns? There will always be content in game that will bring on a healthy amount of selfishness from the players. This selfishness is always synonymous with players finding the most efficient way to obtain the best rewards in the shortest amount of time (hence the selfish methods). They are all flavor-of-the-patch content. And this problem is always corrected with the next incoming major patch.

However, it's not such a bad problem that it justifies punishing people just for leaving. That's why the game as a system to attempt to replace players who leave or disconnect in the first place.

[Marxam]

Actually if they claim it, it's theirs effectively. Other people are the greedy ones expecting them to wait.

I applaud you for your capitalist ideas but denounce you for your lack of emotion. Common courtesy dictates that you should wait for at least a few more people but obviously not the whole server. Its this attitude that effectively killed the selfless gamer in mmo's today. It always helps to state a pull time.

[Yoninxi]

I applaud you for your capitalist ideas but denounce you for your lack of emotion. Common courtesy dictates that you should wait for at least a few more people but obviously not the whole server. Its this attitude that effectively killed the selfless gamer in mmo's today. It always helps to state a pull time.

It's not common courtesy. Its a player made convention to wait for people and then whine that "more were on the way" after you pulled

[murdercat]

For most reasons of duty abandonment you have just mentioned they all share one common fact, that is the 30 minute timer will not longer be an actual penalty under such circumstance. If people does not have the time to complete a dungeon they better not to have time to do something else. I understand they might find leaving a dungeon for a hunt more time efficient, but that builds on the fact that 3-7 or even 23 players will have to waste their time waiting for a replacement. This lack of consideration of others is nothing but selfishness. Everyone has the right to be selfish, as well as most people will hate a selfish person. This is why the illustrations of such behaviors are causing negative impact to our community.

I am not asking people to be not selfish, I am just hoping the rules are adjusted to make people less able to preform a selfish action. All the examples you have listed shares one common fact, they are all restrained by the game mechanics. No one can stop anyone from watching the cut scenes. There is a 30 minute DF penalty for early abandonment of dungeon. Why do you think these mechanics are implemented? Why did SE not make the cut scenes able to be vote skipped? Why did they put a timer before you can search another game after you abandoned one?

It is not the people that makes a community a better one, it is the rule that does it. And I think FFXIV deserves a better community than "other MMO as well as in reality".

[ChiefCurrahee]

I still have faith in SE doing the right thing a nerfing hunt rewards to bring them inline with the rest of the game.

I'm hoping that the silence on SE's part is do to them not wanting to deal with the vocal upset leading into patch 2.35. That they would rather deal with the aftermath.

[JigsawComplex]

Come to Excalibur; or at least do what we did. People took the initiative to create a public Excalibur server TeamSpeak that only privileged players can speak in for hunt groups. They set specific times once the horde is there to pull, and it's basically how to you hunts. Everybody is very polite and the first thing you'll hear party leaders saying in the TS is "invite that person asking for help and give them the TS info".

Scouts go out to all the zones and comb through them for hunt mobs. Once they are found, the cords and closest tele point are called out. It's like a nerdy police scanner.