Quote Originally Posted by Seibah View Post
if echo isn't making leviathan ex an absolute joke for your group something is going very, VERY wrong and you wouldn't have a snowball's chance in any T5+ content anyways

seriously if you don't know the mechanics then whatever, learn them, but levi ex is a fight where echo should completely trample an already fairly simple encounter

T5 is honestly made a lot easier with the echo, it trivializes dps checks and makes heal checks much easier, all it asks you to do now is handle the mechanics
Yeah, well this is probably going into more than one problem at once anyway. There are players who just can't complete content and think they can get by if they have the echo buff and everyone carries them. The issue is that with fights like Levi EX, unless that person is playing a dps role the Echo buff does little to help the situation, since healing Levi EX solo becomes a problem with the mirror debuff and one tank isn't going to be able to handle both the tail and the head along with sahagin. But that is part of the reason Yoshida is trying to change how they are building end game content: He wants the echo buff to enable people to get past content, even the people who seem utterly incapable when it's relatively recent content.