SE's most difinitive statement yet on parsers

[Tashigi]

You support this approach every month you pay, because this is already happening with how they handle RMTs.

Not a good comparison, IMO.
Their approach to RMT was actually decent, granted late, and it was a move that other MMO had in place for a while now (Refering to the limited whispers/shouts).
I get what you're saying, though. The development team for this game seems a bit outdated, despite their efforts to stay ahead of the game. Which is why we must continue to express our desires to improve and shape this game in the best direction possible.

Not surprisingly, the community can often come off as the same. Outdated/uninformed, as you can probably gather by reading some of the posts on this thread and a few others.

[Shougun]

I think the problem with the analogies of stop watches and other quality of life examples is that SE said "you may not use these". So in the sprinting example the organization tracking you said "you may not use a watch". Therefore the analogy no longer works, even if it would make sense to use one.

Perhaps when they add officially supported modding will we be able to "officially" rest these issues, but until then I think its clear parser are not allowed and it doesn't matter they are helpful or not inherently evil.


Edit: Though I do think SE wants to not make this a major issue, so long as you dont say "I use this parser, from this site, this is my character name" I doubt they will try very hard to punish you lol. Say radar on the other hand..

[Kaethra]

Edit: Though I do think SE wants to not make this a major issue, so long as you dont say "I use this parser, from this site, this is my character name" I doubt they will try very hard to punish you lol. Say radar on the other hand..

Yeah the moment they start banning people for parsing is the day it goes all over the MMO news websites. Thats bad publicity and they don't want anything to do with it. And it actually sounds like they want to implement addons so that people can actually use damage meters instead. And thats going to be an awesome can of worms. The reason people say players abuse others because of parsers is because of how damage meters were used in WoW, NOT because of how parsers were used in Everquest.

But that's why I suggested these people actually try them out before judging them. They're shooting themselves in the foot. But the fact is, they're not even serious. Like I said, they won't report or even post in the parsing threads in the DPS section.

[Umichi]

No offense, but if people think radar actually has a significant impact on Hunts, they'll be quite upset upon learning of the real issues with Hunts.
Also, while it is known/obvious what SE stance is on third party mods, parsers help more than harm you, if used properly.

I'm pro modding, in case you couldn't tell.
Mods extend the life of any game. MMO or not.

Unfortunately FFXI is a prime example of when parsing was not used properly. WoW is also a prime example. Both player bases have some form of toxicity and elitism when it comes to endgame game play. This was mostly because of the fact that the playerbase was allowed to parse. WoW being the bigger culprit of this as all information regarding the game was oftentimes exposed to the player base only to amplify the issues of people being excluded and treated differently during their career time at endgame content and eventually the fights evolved around this concept of parsed data.

[Barimu]

Unfortunately FFXI is a prime example of when parsing was not used properly.

People used parsers in 11? I've never experienced that. Maybe it's because the playerbase was a lot better at MMOs than these 5 year olds today that cry this game is so hard.

[Umichi]

Perhaps when they add officially supported modding will we be able to "officially" rest these issues, but until then I think its clear parser are not allowed and it doesn't matter they are helpful or not inherently evil.


Edit: Though I do think SE wants to not make this a major issue, so long as you dont say "I use this parser, from this site, this is my character name" I doubt they will try very hard to punish you lol. Say radar on the other hand..

The best phrase any gamer can use is this simple phrase.... Spirit of the game. Parsing obviously goes against the spirit of the game as it is a third party to the game and isn't created by SE for use within the game.

[Umichi]

People used parsers in 11? I've never experienced that. Maybe it's because the playerbase was a lot better at MMOs than these 5 year olds today that cry this game is so hard.

yes they sure did. although it was mostly the more advanced players who used them. or the elite who were far above the curve of the game than the average person. Also talking about parsing was a down low thing on XI... it was usually only talked about around people who didn't mind it or used it themselves. It also was usually conversed in tight nit groups who wanted to share data to improve their playing.

[ispano]

Well no the point is you are given the necessary tools to complete the task are you saying it's not possible to get it done without a parser?

There's many things in game and in real life that can be done without metrics and tools to help consolidate those metrics into something more easily usable. Like we have a combat log, but it leaves out dots, and the in game part has a line limit. The logs saved outside of the game are terribly difficult to read by hand. It's basically like giving a rally driver group several reams of raw data, but telling them they can't use a tool to make it easier to use.

[Barimu]

Turn 8 you HAVE to do a certain amount of dps to beat it. Everyones i100 lets say. You hit enrage timer, no one died. You can't determine who's dps is holding you back, what do you do?(Disclaimer: I do not use a parser but I support their use.)

[Umichi]

There's many things in game and in real life that can be done without metrics and tools to help consolidate those metrics into something more easily usable. Like we have a combat log, but it leaves out dots, and the in game part has a line limit. The logs saved outside of the game are terribly difficult to read by hand. It's basically like giving a rally driver group several reams of raw data, but telling them they can't use a tool to make it easier to use.

the problem is your not taking the raw data and inputting it into the machine and in the case of the rally drivers they are allowed tools to observe to help improve.... in our game you're taking the raw data in Real time as the game is playing. going against the ToS put forth by SE which implies NO THIRD PARTY TOOLS