SE's most difinitive statement yet on parsers

[Assirra]

That's basically all they can do. They can't admit the real reason why they desire it. Instead they prefer to be in this vicious repetitive cycle where they claim nothing can be done in-game without its existence, in which the claim itself is baffling.

If they would simply admit to needing this 3rd party tool for the sake of it just being a quality of life thing then they would have less trouble getting their point across to the dev team and in turn be taken more seriously.

Yet they prefer that vicious cycle because they try and rationalize the justification of belitting players that you can see all thread long. That alone already defeats the purpose since it shows how the pro parser side is easily swayed into bad/shaddy behavior that SE is trying to prevent and/or keep at a minimum.

Seriously, am i seeing a different thread from most of you anti-information people? Where do you see this belittling in this thead? It's actually backwards. People give valid arguments and all we get back are stupid comparisons and "lalalala your cheating lalala".

[Elven]

Seriously, am i seeing a different thread from most of you anti-information people? Where do you see this belittling in this thead? It's actually backwards. People give valid arguments and all we get back are stupid comparisons and "lalalala your cheating lalala".

All we get is please please listen to us we think you're too stupid to understand that parsers are a good thing and greatly help us train. Oh please parsers were just an innocent third-party application caught in the big bad war against those other applications that are clearly cheating. But wait we have more valid reasons because you're all too ignorant to see past the fact it's against Tos.

Did I leave anything out? Oh wait lets say by nature parsers are not cheating, but technically they are because of the Tos. See what I did there, live with it.

[Assirra]

All we get is please please listen to us we think you're too stupid to understand that parsers are a good thing and greatly help us train. Oh please parsers were just an innocent third-party application caught in the big bad war against those other applications that are clearly cheating. But wait we have more valid reasons because you're all too ignorant to see past the fact it's against Tos.

Did I leave anything out? Oh wait lets say by nature parsers are not cheating, but technically they are because of the Tos. See what I did there, live with it.

And here we have the proof ladies and gentlemen. So far the ones in the thread complaining about bad attitude are the ones with one. Kinda ironic.

Anyway, i am out of here, a wall has better arguments.
Have fun with your anti-information crusade but just remember one thing.

You prolly played with people using it without you ever realizing.

[Ghishlain]

That's basically all they can do. They can't admit the real reason why they desire it. Instead they prefer to be in this vicious repetitive cycle where they claim nothing can be done in-game without its existence, in which the claim itself is baffling.

If they would simply admit to needing this 3rd party tool for the sake of it just being a quality of life thing then they would have less trouble getting their point across to the dev team and in turn be taken more seriously.

Yet they prefer that vicious cycle because they try and rationalize the justification of belitting players that you can see all thread long. That alone already defeats the purpose since it shows how the pro parser side is easily swayed into bad/shaddy behavior that SE is trying to prevent and/or keep at a minimum.

Let's get a few things straight:

Fact: Parsers are against the ToS as they are a third party tool and Square-Enix condemns all third party tools associated.

Although we will continue to monitor game data to ensure that similar illegitimate practices are not being used, we would like to remind players that using third-party programs, parsers, or other tools to conduct actions players would not normally be able to do in the game is a violation of the Terms of Service, and will be dealt with strict disciplinary action.

-Source

Fact: Parsers allow players who use them to optimize their output by outputting data to the user that allows them to analyze their post battle contribution and determine what methodology they can change to help maximize every ounce of power their class and gear can contribute to a fight. This can be used on general targets like training dummies just to see what maximum output someone could do a target where mechanics can be ignored and then compare that to more mechanically heavy fights and see how much efficiency they lose due to the nature of a fight.

Fiction: All players who use parsers are elitest jerks and use it to prove their epeen is stronger than others. This attitude is very deplorable and should be repeated immediately. While I can see the use of parsers for positive usage, I do not condone this attitude and any elitest jerk who uses a paser in this fashion should be kicked / suspended / warned / banned / etc..

However, this isn't to say that all players who using parsing software use it to flaunt their epeen. Only select few individuals use it in this manner.

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I've more or less played XIV since launch. My own experience is I've only had an elitest jerk prove their "epeen" once in the 11 months I've been playing this game (though I have seen parse data pasted into chat several times, only once has it been used to prove "I'm better then you all"). Can you argue I've been lucky? Perhaps. I do jump into DR / DFs a lot though and for the most part, my experiences have been mostly positive and gives me confidence in the community as a whole.

I'm not sure what has happened in your past that has caused to you feel that the endgame community is out to get you. You have proven with your narrow-minded white-knight-for-the-sub-average attitude in this thread and another on this OF with posts like this, this, and this.

In some respects, you can argue that your narrow-mindedness in the whole thing is why you butt heads with people because you cannot see past the fact that "someone might be playing bad, I NEED TO DEFEND THEM" instead of providing constructive criticism. Parsers only emphasizes that further because it's just, in your own opinion, another tool for elitest jerks to use to prove they are better and thus you must be adamantly against the elitest jerks. The stonewalling on your end only emphasizes how stubborn and narrow-minded you are in these discussions.

[Gormogon]

Let's get a few things straight:

How about you get the thing that matters straight.

Play the game.

[Clavaat]

How about you get the thing that matters straight.

Play the game.

As much as I generally don't agree with his posts, Gormogon's right here.

The fact this thread is still going is unbelievable. We know it's against ToS, so be it. Either you take the risk and use it anyway, or you don't. Complaining about it won't make it "illegal" or not. It's third party, that's against ToS.

However, if they ever release the ability to create Add-ons, and a damage parser is one of them, then you have essentially the same options as before, sans risk. It's really not that complicated. Don't be assholes to each other and move on.

For the record, I take the Neutral Planet's stance. We used a parser in FFXI for fun competition amongst our LS only, but never got on anyone else's case about it. I also can live without it, I can tell generally how well our DPS is doing. It doesn't matter to me.

I'd rather not risk a ban, so I'll avoid it. Should it become an add-on, sure, I'd use one for fun.

[Dwill]

That's basically all they can do. They can't admit the real reason why they desire it. Instead they prefer to be in this vicious repetitive cycle where they claim nothing can be done in-game without its existence, in which the claim itself is baffling.

If they would simply admit to needing this 3rd party tool for the sake of it just being a quality of life thing then they would have less trouble getting their point across to the dev team and in turn be taken more seriously.

Yet they prefer that vicious cycle because they try and rationalize the justification of belitting players that you can see all thread long. That alone already defeats the purpose since it shows how the pro parser side is easily swayed into bad/shaddy behavior that SE is trying to prevent and/or keep at a minimum.

Coming from you, this is utterly ironic. And Krr said it best:

Given that this thread is now an echo chamber for the irrational who can't handle being shown counter-evidence and instead want to engage in reactionary drivel, yeah, it's pretty pointless for anyone forward-thinking or capable of grasping material realities beyond their insane, made-up scenarios to post in it.

You've proven times and times again you and most of the anti-parser people that you have no grasp of the inner working of a parser yet are fighting tooth and nails to prevent people with actual knowledge of the tool to use it because of your outdated and inane preconceived notions.

[Elven]

And here we have the proof ladies and gentlemen. So far the ones in the thread complaining about bad attitude are the ones with one. Kinda ironic.

Anyway, i am out of here, a wall has better arguments.
Have fun with your anti-information crusade but just remember one thing.

You prolly played with people using it without you ever realizing.

Not really you have been given many examples why they are not allowed but you choose to ignore them and instead counter argue that we do not understand the inner workings of parsers. Are you serious what part of not allowed under the current rules of the Tos do you not understand? Time and time again how many times do we have to say. If they were allowed there is no problem. Please for the love of the twelve understand that and not for gods sake think this is a witch hunt. Goodness how thick can people be.

[Gormogon]

Time and time again how many times do we have to say. If they were allowed there is no problem. Please for the love of the twelve understand that and not for gods sake think this is a witch hunt. Goodness how thick can people be.

They think we are the ones trying to prevent their "quality of life". Square-Enix did it for a reason and they can't even realize how unhealthy this addiction and obsession has gotten for them because they turned a simple tool into such a necessity.

In which we have this addict level of "I can't live without it" that has produced such a state of mind in these people that you can no longer reason with. Since you constantly see them constantly drag it back to the same vicious cycle that consist of insults and belittlement.

[Gucci_Charms]

They don't care about parsing unless its used to target specific a specific player in a party and single them out - resulting in that player's ability to enjoy the game.