SE's most difinitive statement yet on parsers

[Assirra]

That's basically all they can do. They can't admit the real reason why they desire it. Instead they prefer to be in this vicious repetitive cycle where they claim nothing can be done in-game without its existence, in which the claim itself is baffling.

If they would simply admit to needing this 3rd party tool for the sake of it just being a quality of life thing then they would have less trouble getting their point across to the dev team and in turn be taken more seriously.

Yet they prefer that vicious cycle because they try and rationalize the justification of belitting players that you can see all thread long. That alone already defeats the purpose since it shows how the pro parser side is easily swayed into bad/shaddy behavior that SE is trying to prevent and/or keep at a minimum.

Seriously, am i seeing a different thread from most of you anti-information people? Where do you see this belittling in this thead? It's actually backwards. People give valid arguments and all we get back are stupid comparisons and "lalalala your cheating lalala".

[Elven]

Seriously, am i seeing a different thread from most of you anti-information people? Where do you see this belittling in this thead? It's actually backwards. People give valid arguments and all we get back are stupid comparisons and "lalalala your cheating lalala".

All we get is please please listen to us we think you're too stupid to understand that parsers are a good thing and greatly help us train. Oh please parsers were just an innocent third-party application caught in the big bad war against those other applications that are clearly cheating. But wait we have more valid reasons because you're all too ignorant to see past the fact it's against Tos.

Did I leave anything out? Oh wait lets say by nature parsers are not cheating, but technically they are because of the Tos. See what I did there, live with it.

[Assirra]

All we get is please please listen to us we think you're too stupid to understand that parsers are a good thing and greatly help us train. Oh please parsers were just an innocent third-party application caught in the big bad war against those other applications that are clearly cheating. But wait we have more valid reasons because you're all too ignorant to see past the fact it's against Tos.

Did I leave anything out? Oh wait lets say by nature parsers are not cheating, but technically they are because of the Tos. See what I did there, live with it.

And here we have the proof ladies and gentlemen. So far the ones in the thread complaining about bad attitude are the ones with one. Kinda ironic.

Anyway, i am out of here, a wall has better arguments.
Have fun with your anti-information crusade but just remember one thing.

You prolly played with people using it without you ever realizing.

[Elven]

And here we have the proof ladies and gentlemen. So far the ones in the thread complaining about bad attitude are the ones with one. Kinda ironic.

Anyway, i am out of here, a wall has better arguments.
Have fun with your anti-information crusade but just remember one thing.

You prolly played with people using it without you ever realizing.

Not really you have been given many examples why they are not allowed but you choose to ignore them and instead counter argue that we do not understand the inner workings of parsers. Are you serious what part of not allowed under the current rules of the Tos do you not understand? Time and time again how many times do we have to say. If they were allowed there is no problem. Please for the love of the twelve understand that and not for gods sake think this is a witch hunt. Goodness how thick can people be.

[Gormogon]

Time and time again how many times do we have to say. If they were allowed there is no problem. Please for the love of the twelve understand that and not for gods sake think this is a witch hunt. Goodness how thick can people be.

They think we are the ones trying to prevent their "quality of life". Square-Enix did it for a reason and they can't even realize how unhealthy this addiction and obsession has gotten for them because they turned a simple tool into such a necessity.

In which we have this addict level of "I can't live without it" that has produced such a state of mind in these people that you can no longer reason with. Since you constantly see them constantly drag it back to the same vicious cycle that consist of insults and belittlement.

[Assirra]

They think we are the ones trying to prevent their "quality of life". Square-Enix did it for a reason and they can't even realize how unhealthy this addiction and obsession has gotten for them because they turned a simple tool into such a necessity.

In which we have this addict level of "I can't live without it" that has produced such a state of mind in these people that you can no longer reason with. Since you constantly see them constantly drag it back to the same vicious cycle that consist of insults and belittlement.

I dare you
Point 1 example in this thread of this "insults and belittlement"

I point back to yourself, by calling people addicts btw.
You just became what you are insulting people for this whole thread.

[Kayo]

In which we have this addict level of "I can't live without it" that has produced such a state of mind in these people that you can no longer reason with. Since you constantly see them constantly drag it back to the same vicious cycle that consist of insults and belittlement.

Haha, so true. It's the dependency on parsers which paved way for the mindset behind the silent-Bards out there. Thanks to this addiction (good call btw) players have completely forgotten about team work and what is best for the team to accomplish a win (like sacrificing some DPS so your healer can last a while longer). Its all ... "well im DPS/HPS, so thats all I need to do... parser says im doing good and if I dont someone is going to call me out." There is a recent thread FULL of these claims and yet they still deny that parsers are a detriment to the community. Oh but no WE are the ones ignoring facts... right....

I mean parsers have a small chance at helping a few top competitive guilds defeat a handful of bosses with an even remotely challenging enrage timer sooner than other guilds, so obviously developers around the world should overlook the type of environment they help cause and just allow them everywhere.

[Gormogon]

Haha, so true. It's the dependency on parsers which paved way for the mindset behind the silent-Bards out there. Thanks to this addiction (good call btw) players have completely forgotten about team work and what is best for the team to accomplish a win (like sacrificing some DPS so your healer can last a while longer). Its all ... "well im DPS/HPS, so thats all I need to do... parser says im doing good and if I dont someone is going to call me out." There is a recent thread FULL of these claims and yet they still deny that parsers are a detriment to the community. Oh but no WE are the ones ignoring facts... right....

I mean parsers have a small chance at helping a few top competitive guilds defeat a handful of bosses with an even remotely challenging enrage timer sooner than other guilds, so obviously developers around the world should overlook the type of environment they help cause and just allow them everywhere.

It's really sadly what it does to players. I've seen so many guilds end up in drama then breaking up because of parser data in other MMO's and ever since people started using here because of the desire to be more informed and down BCoB/Extreme primals by 2.2 surely enough it happens all over again.

Players focus so much on their own numbers and interpretations of someone else's that it creates an unhealthy mindset of, oh I have to deal top DPS and rub it in and if someone under performs they are "wasting my time" a quote that gets use often now. Regardless of reasons.

The dependency alone is what baffles me when such players end up claiming that nothing can be done in-game without them.

[Dwill]

They think we are the ones trying to prevent their "quality of life". Square-Enix did it for a reason and they can't even realize how unhealthy this addiction and obsession has gotten for them because they turned a simple tool into such a necessity.

In which we have this addict level of "I can't live without it" that has produced such a state of mind in these people that you can no longer reason with. Since you constantly see them constantly drag it back to the same vicious cycle that consist of insults and belittlement.

Go ahead. If it's such a vicious cycle, it's safe to assume you have quite a few example to support your arguments. You do have some, don't you ?

They don't care about parsing unless its used to target specific a specific player in a party and single them out - resulting in that player's ability to enjoy the game.

Good job at skipping the entire thread to post baseless assumptions that have already been discussed.

Haha, so true. It's the dependency on parsers which paved way for the mindset behind the silent-Bards out there. Thanks to this addiction (good call btw) players have completely forgotten about team work and what is best for the team to accomplish a win (like sacrificing some DPS so your healer can last a while longer). Its all ... "well im DPS/HPS, so thats all I need to do... parser says im doing good and if I dont someone is going to call me out." There is a recent thread FULL of these claims and yet they still deny that parsers are a detriment to the community. Oh but no WE are the ones ignoring facts... right....

I mean parsers have a small chance at helping a few top competitive guilds defeat a handful of bosses with an even remotely challenging enrage timer sooner than other guilds, so obviously developers around the world should overlook the type of environment they help cause and just allow them everywhere.

You know that with this kind of statement, the only thing you're doing is proving the people for parsers to be right.

I think you are tarring a lot of people with a rather tired brush tbh.

Ps, I'm still waiting for you to quote where I was being insulting etc! Chop chop

Seriously, you and I both know that he won't. His entire arguments are based on denial, made-up scenarios and lack of knowledge.

[Sebazy]

In which we have this addict level of "I can't live without it" that has produced such a state of mind in these people that you can no longer reason with. Since you constantly see them constantly drag it back to the same vicious cycle that consist of insults and belittlement.

Please quote any example of me using insults and belittlement to further my side of this debate.

I'll be waiting.