SE's most difinitive statement yet on parsers

[MeiUshu]

You completely missed the point and read that in a way that was unintended. Twisting my words doesn't help your case. You're completely insane if you think people are loosing out on some skill when it comes to reading that incredibly difficult to read log. It's only useful when it comes to knowing what exactly killed someone and for how much damage. Otherwise it's useless. You aren't going to skim it and have an idea of how much damage a player is doing at all. It's not humanly possible to do that.

As for Elven and your posts. I disagree with you whole heartedly. You have made zero attempts to understand this from the position others are trying to discuss it from. The only leg you have to stand on is "it's not in the game so it's bad" and that completely ignores the entire discussion about the pros and cons. If that's really your point then say it and walk away. We got it. Coming back every other post to reinforce that extremely simple position isn't doing anything helpful.

Many of us here have acknowledge that third party tools like this exist and nothing you say or anyone says here will ever change that simple fact. In addition to that fact is that many people do not use those tools. This creates a blatantly uneven playing field that leaves ps3/ps4 users the most out of luck. This situation is bad and needs to be remedied. An official in game solution of some kind (I'm not saying full on parser here btw) would go a long way to evening that playing field. This is a problem that needs addressed, and simply having SE say it's against the ToS is not enough to fix it.

I didnt twistd AT ALL your words, I offered a way to use in-game features to allow you to better yourself.....you are the one that said, in a nutshell, that parsers give you all you require and allows you to pinpoint who is good or bad, this doesnt require an effort from you which rightly so prompted my answer that you want all easy handed over to you. All I said is, learn to read a log, hard as it is, learn to INTERPRETE a log analyze your logs, to understand whre the real problem is, it requires WORK from you, visibly you are interested in it but only to reach the end of the game as fast as possible which is alos what I said.. where I twisted your words is beyond me...but if you say so must be true right ? same as you saying is perfectly ok to use a parser to diminish, insult demean and shame others because of their low performance, maybe is the new generation of gamers. As I have said also, technically I am not against it, but this tool isnt usef the way it should be, which is why it shouldnt be allowed and people sanctionned isnt a bad thing.

You know, you dont have to agree with me, is perfectly fine with me, so far though you put up blinders so that you only see what good it can bring, but alas, the parsers DONT bring any good at all..it brings out of people the bad. I also am not too sure I like the idea of someone reading my *logs* so to speak on my computer...but that is another story.

It remains, parsers users want all easy, want perfection and everything right there and then they dont *analyze* who they have in their group, they dont take into consideration everything they only look at numbers...and like in a bookkeeping numbers without interpretation are just dead numbers.

Just me though

Mei (out of this discussion that brings nowhere)