SE's most difinitive statement yet on parsers

[ispano]

I understand that it isn't that fact that it is a parser that is cheating, it is how you have to use it that makes it cheating, but that can go for anything that could be a potential add-on, but for now, and until they change ToS, because of the way you have to use it, it is considered cheating. You can't break the rules now, because you assume they will change in the future, especially when you are dealing with SE, originally add-ons were supposed to be available at launch, it was pushed back. SE has a horrible track record of saying they will do something and then actually coming through in a timely manner, so until they do, using a parser is cheating, if by nothing else because of the way you have to go about using it, but in the end, cheating is still cheating.

But see, that's the thing. They won't need to change the current line in the ToS, and they likely won't either, when addons come. And they've already indicated addons will have access to damage and healing information, and other things the client has access to. So we will be allowed to use the ones made for the addon API, but not external, because guess what? Those are still third party programs.

So, you two can talk until you're red in the face, it's not cheating. If they truly did not want parsers, there would be no possible way we could get them as addons, yet they've pretty much already indicated it will be possible.

So, as I said in my previous post. Being against the rules simply due to being a parser and being against the rules for being a third party program, are nowhere near the same thing. And to disallow an external program because it's a parser, yet allow it as an addon would be a contradiction. It's simply because it's a third party program, nothing more.

You are basically arguing with yourself now, you admit that it is a third party program, you admit using third party programs is against the rules, you don't dispute the definition of cheating and you agree using one gives you an advantage, the simple fact that it is a third party program is what makes it cheating, nothing more, you said it yourself, your only argument is that they might allow them in the future, you seem to fail to realize that future isn't here yet, and until it is, using any third party program, even parsers is cheating. Not sure if it is a need to argue or a need to always be right, but it is clear right in front of you, you agree to everything that makes it cheating, your pride or something just isn't letting you make that connection.

Fun, Post Limit.

No, it bothers me when people lump something in with something it's not. A Botting Program. A Teleportation Hack. A Parser. All 3 are third party programs. Only two are actual cheats. Even SE knows the difference, but to avoid endorsing or allowing the first two, they don't ban parsers. They ban third party programs. So, no, until the future is here, they are not cheating. They are simply not allowed by the ToS,third party programs that is. And when that future is here, and we have player made parsing mods, but the third party programs are still disallowed, is where your argument breaks. Just the fact that it's a possibility to allow one and not the other, clearly indicates the difference.

And since you want to use the definiton of cheat so much, Parsing in itself alone, since players can do it by hand if they really wanted, is not against the Terms of Service. Third Party Programs are.

Parsing is an action. Third Party Programs are just that, Programs.