SE's most difinitive statement yet on parsers

[Sebazy]

Sorry but when I was in WoW most world first "boss" clears are not based on using meters but communication between progression guilds during downtime unless they actually communicated between fights. "Pro-tip that is happening in the current end game scene of FFXIV."

Any DPSer in WoW going for a world first will have spent time on dummies and other encounters analysing and optimising themselves with a parser. I would mention world of raids but given your disdain for parsers, I can only tremble at your likely opinion of that would be

Yet you don't have to take my word for it and can believe on the parser data. All it ever did in WoW just simply gather pointless dps information that can be gotten even without it's presence. People that record fights would even spot the, exact why, faster than those bothering with crunching a log.

Recording and replaying footage from attempts is just a different way of achieving the same thing and frankly, the two compliment each other brilliantly. The first thing my FC did when learning new turns was to take the best recording from the group (We would have 2 or 3 people recording/streaming at the very least) and promptly break down that footage into a digestible timeline to give ourselves a better idea of what we were up against.

Ps "Casual-tip a good debate doesn't have to be so hostile."

[Gormogon]

Any DPSer in WoW going for a world first will have spent time on dummies and other encounters analysing and optimising themselves with a parser. I would mention world of raids but given your disdain for parsers, I can only tremble at your likely opinion of that would be

I never did any of that and my guild leader was really impress that even with me playing as casually as I did I ended up as the #8 UDK for one our of clears.

Recording and replaying footage from attempts is just a different way of achieving the same thing and frankly, the two compliment itself brilliantly.

Not entirely since even down times are expected in fights that have a lot of mechanics where some decisions are gonna end up hurtful in the long run since they are individual judgmental calls that can end up being hurtful later on.

Yet so many players easily rage at a wipe instead of realizing those faults and that all is left is a simply trying to better execute everything as a group.

Dunno where you think I'm being hostile, I'm being honest and if that makes you feel hostility then so be it.

Stating something does not make it true unless it's proven to be true.

Such like all this pro parser nonsense without any proof outside of "take my word for it".

There were multiple examples

Everything that can be accomplished without parsing but only verified through parsing, thus QoL. You sure told me.

[Dwill]

Such like all this pro parser nonsense without any proof outside of "take my word for it".

There were multiple examples as for the uses of parsers in this very thread. If you decide to ignore them, that's your prerogative but don't come and claim people did not give valid one.

[Mcshiggs]

There were multiple examples as for the uses of parsers in this very thread. If you decide to ignore them, that's your prerogative but don't come and claim people did not give valid one.

How do any arguments about how useful they are have anything to with the fact that they are against ToS? I for one know they can be useful, I would be fine if they put one in, but as long as they are against ToS, I see no argument anyone could give that would make them ok to use in this game.

[Dwill]

How do any arguments about how useful they are have anything to with the fact that they are against ToS? I for one know they can be useful, I would be fine if they put one in, but as long as they are against ToS, I see no argument anyone could give that would make them ok to use in this game.

You took it out of context. His argument have nothing to do with them being against the ToS or not.

Everything that can be accomplished without parsing but only verified through parsing, thus QoL. You sure told me.

I'm glad you prove by your own self that you have absolutely no idea about the topic at hand and that we can just ignore your input.

[Mcshiggs]

You took it out of context. His argument have nothing to do with them being against the ToS or not.

I don't care about your arguments with Gormogon, you said there were plenty of examples of the uses of parsers in this thread, I stated that it doesn't matter how compelling the argument for the parsers are, as long as they are against ToS, there is no reason good enough to use them.

[Dwill]

I don't care about your arguments with Gormogon, you said there were plenty of examples of the uses of parsers in this thread, I stated that it doesn't matter how compelling the argument for the parsers are, as long as they are against ToS, there is no reason good enough to use them.

Yet if no one says anything because they are against the ToS, that ruling will never change. If people show enough interest over time, while it's not a certainty, that ruling might actually change in the future. So it's better to speak about their benefits than to just stay silent because they are against the ToS.

[Sebazy]

I never did any of that and my guild leader was really impress that even with me playing as casually as I did I ended up as the #8 UDK for one our of clears.

Reported for parsing!

Yet so many players easily rage at a wipe instead of realizing those faults and that all is left is a simply trying to better execute everything as a group.

The very best hardcore players will always have that fire in their belly, it's what drives them. The difference is that the best groups will have leadership capable of keeping that fire directed on the encounter and not each other, but I'm going off topic so I'd better leave that =)

Dunno where you think I'm being hostile, I'm being honest and if that makes you feel hostility then so be it.

Perhaps not to me, but certainly to some others in this thread, it's neither becoming of you nor does it help you put your point across.