SE's most difinitive statement yet on parsers

[Gormogon]

If this is really your methods then that is probably why you still haven't beat T6.

I haven't beaten it because I don't care about second coil of bahamut and thus I ain't doing it.

Guess your parsers couldn't explain that to you.

[Appleh4x]

I haven't beaten it because I don't care about second coil of bahamut and thus I ain't doing it.

Guess your parsers couldn't explain that to you.

Yep, I'm totally sure the reason isn't because you can't get a static for it when you test your dps potential by tallying numbers on level 49 monsters. /sarcasm

[Gormogon]

Yep, I'm totally sure the reason isn't because you can't get a static for it when you test your dps potential by tallying numbers on level 49 monsters. /sarcasm

If you need parsers to know a rotation then I really feel sorry for you.

[Bubblesz]

If you need parsers to know a rotation then I really feel sorry for you.

Seriously? When a scientist first steps out to make a hypothesis he wants the facts/data. Perhaps we should feel sorry for you.

[Tygg]

Seriously? When a scientist first steps out to make a hypothesis he wants the facts/data. Perhaps we should feel sorry for you.

What you say is correct, but you also don't need math to know a bigger rock is going to hurt more.

[Gormogon]

Seriously? When a scientist first steps out to make a hypothesis he wants the facts/data. Perhaps we should feel sorry for you.

level from 1-50 and learn nothing. You sure told me about scientist and facts.

I suspect the problem isn't parsers in general, but rather the people you played with.

You suspected wrong and I'm not gonna bother naming every little god damn thing that's happened in pugs where people use parsers but are misinformed because they weren't paying attention to the fight itself to realize what really went wrong.

And part of the process of checking and testing mechanics in Savage Coil is digging through parser output to understand what they need to be achieving to clear the content.

Sorry but when I was in WoW most world first "boss" clears are not based on using meters but communication between progression guilds during downtime unless they actually communicated between fights. "Pro-tip that is happening in the current end game scene of FFXIV."

Yet you don't have to take my word for it and can believe on the parser data. All it ever did in WoW just simply gather pointless dps information that can be gotten even without it's presence. People that record fights would even spot the, exact why, faster than those bothering with crunching a log.

[Sebazy]

You suspected wrong and I'm not gonna bother naming every little god damn thing that's happened in pugs where people use parsers but are misinformed because they weren't paying attention to the fight itself to realize what really went wrong.

I hope you were at least a little proactive and reported these people? Don't get me wrong, whilst it could be said that I'm in the pro parser camp, I'm firmly against mindlessly bashing people with raw numbers. That only serves to breed the level of resent demonstrated in this thread. Try to remember you will never see the 'good' side of parsing in pugs because those people will generally keep quiet about it (as they should imo). Perhaps consider having a little more faith in your fellow human? Not all of us are a-hats you know

I am once again demanding proof for this "gloating, bullying" you people seem to be so fond off.
I have done years in mmo's with parsers/dps meters/whatever you call it and seen it rarely happen.

I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking this, perhaps I'm skewed by being a career healer, but I've been playing MMOs at the end game for the best part of 15 years (You'll find me as a contributor on the old Everquest slowing charts for example) and can think of very few occasions where people have openly bashed others over parser numbers. Even in WoW it seemed pretty rare to me, and I can promise you, I did plenty of pugging as I seem to find it strangely enjoyable!

[Sebazy]

Sorry but when I was in WoW most world first "boss" clears are not based on using meters but communication between progression guilds during downtime unless they actually communicated between fights. "Pro-tip that is happening in the current end game scene of FFXIV."

Any DPSer in WoW going for a world first will have spent time on dummies and other encounters analysing and optimising themselves with a parser. I would mention world of raids but given your disdain for parsers, I can only tremble at your likely opinion of that would be

Yet you don't have to take my word for it and can believe on the parser data. All it ever did in WoW just simply gather pointless dps information that can be gotten even without it's presence. People that record fights would even spot the, exact why, faster than those bothering with crunching a log.

Recording and replaying footage from attempts is just a different way of achieving the same thing and frankly, the two compliment each other brilliantly. The first thing my FC did when learning new turns was to take the best recording from the group (We would have 2 or 3 people recording/streaming at the very least) and promptly break down that footage into a digestible timeline to give ourselves a better idea of what we were up against.

Ps "Casual-tip a good debate doesn't have to be so hostile."

[Gormogon]

Any DPSer in WoW going for a world first will have spent time on dummies and other encounters analysing and optimising themselves with a parser. I would mention world of raids but given your disdain for parsers, I can only tremble at your likely opinion of that would be

I never did any of that and my guild leader was really impress that even with me playing as casually as I did I ended up as the #8 UDK for one our of clears.

Recording and replaying footage from attempts is just a different way of achieving the same thing and frankly, the two compliment itself brilliantly.

Not entirely since even down times are expected in fights that have a lot of mechanics where some decisions are gonna end up hurtful in the long run since they are individual judgmental calls that can end up being hurtful later on.

Yet so many players easily rage at a wipe instead of realizing those faults and that all is left is a simply trying to better execute everything as a group.

Dunno where you think I'm being hostile, I'm being honest and if that makes you feel hostility then so be it.

Stating something does not make it true unless it's proven to be true.

Such like all this pro parser nonsense without any proof outside of "take my word for it".

There were multiple examples

Everything that can be accomplished without parsing but only verified through parsing, thus QoL. You sure told me.

[Dwill]

If you need parsers to know a rotation then I really feel sorry for you.

Once the mechanics in an encounter starts, a rotation takes the garbage can and everything becomes a priority system. If you don't even know as much, your input about the uses of a parser are irrelevant.

level from 1-50 and learn nothing. You sure told me about scientist and facts.

Because leveling content can totally be compared with actual challenging content.

Sorry but when I was in WoW most world first "boss" clears are not based on using meters but communication between progression guilds during downtime unless they actually communicated between fights. "Pro-tip that is happening in the current end game scene of FFXIV."

You've totally just proven you have not a clue what you're talking about. World first guild in WoW will not communicate with other guilds for progression since all of them want to be number one. Heck, a some of them strips their character naked and change their talents before logging off to make sure their competition don't see what they use. They are also using meters from which they keep the log privates while also recording encounters to make sure they can watch them later and see what they can improve.