SE's most difinitive statement yet on parsers

[raelgun]

It has happened to me personally on FFXI. It's the sole reason I hate 3rd party tools with a passion.


How is it a freedom of choice when the playerbase is wanting a tool they can use to push players out of content unless they are high-end raider level of play?

Whats happened to you personally is like I said, 2 way street, youre only mentioning what happened to you, not what you did.


Players have a choice who they want to play with, these can range to whatever, yes this is freedom, what you are suggesting is, they have no choice on the matter, people need realistic expectations in how they approach things, its not the requirement of good players to take those struggling through content, not at all, you havent even considered the thoughts and feelings of those who play well have you. You cant restrict them with no say on the matter otherwise they get a banning, how messed up is that. Boost me or youre getting a ban, this is why players with your attitude are the bane of mmos.

Not everyone is BlueGartr tier of play, using them as the measuring stick is what the community tends to do. When people parse others they judge not based on the encounter as a group, but based on what the 'expected DPS should be'. That 'expected' is set by the raiding community, with BG at the top. Now, how is anyone going to improve if people are going to use parsers to keep them OUT of content rather than using them to help improve them FOR it?

The bar is set by what the group can actually do, and also, its the players choice IF they want to help, not expected to, this is the problem, they need the choice, not be their job.
People should find ways themselves to improve if needs be, theres no reason to why they cant.

[Nel_Celestine]

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So you'd rather a game where people don't help anyone except the raider elite and everyone else gets frustrated, quits and the game dies out due to limited consumers? Sorry if I disagree with you and think HELPING people rather then kicking them is the better option.

[Sapphic]

So you'd rather a game where people don't help anyone except the raider elite and everyone else gets frustrated, quits and the game dies out due to limited consumers? Sorry if I disagree with you and think HELPING people rather then kicking them is the better option.

What about those who turn abusive or just totally ignore any friendly advice given? What about those who cause wipes by failing on the same thing every single time refusing to take advice and just blame others, even when it is obvious that it was their fault. Two sides to every thing. Of course there are people open for advice, then theirs the others.

[Dwill]

Sounds to me some ppl have to much time on there hands :P dose it matter who is doing the most?

Parsers in this game is rarely about who does the most and more about how the group as a whole is doing and how we can improve each individual.

So you'd rather a game where people don't help anyone except the raider elite and everyone else gets frustrated, quits and the game dies out due to limited consumers? Sorry if I disagree with you and think HELPING people rather then kicking them is the better option.

It's fine to help people that are new and/or want to improve. But when people just don't seem to learn or refuse the help, then it's not anybody's prerogative to carry bad players through content nor to teach them how to play their jobs correctly. They've had 50 levels to learn how to use their abilities and to get out of AoE and if a little push doesn't help them, it still doesn't give them the right to waste other people's time.