SE's most difinitive statement yet on parsers

[ispano]

No I ain't wrong its as bout as equal to a guy who buys a character with all great stuff but doesn't know how to play the game basically a poser.

then goes and plays with all the good people who know what to do, then rubs it in peoples faces that he's great but can't do crap without those people.

Same for you. You need great players and to help you achieve your goal, because you just ain't good enough to beat a dungeon with the setup you were presented with. So you parser out the weak players, then try to find better players to achieve what you want. It ain't you that is good, its the players you swap out for.

More drivel. Please explain what a parser does, since you seem to not actually understand what it does. Again, as much as you try to deny it, a good player will always try to improve themselves. And parsers make it easy to keep track of all the raw information in testing. Much like what professional racers and such do when they record and keep track of lap times, or mechanical changes to the vehicle with computers and such.

So, again, you're wrong.

[Tashigi]

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Way to overly generalize on a scenario I've rarely experienced in my 15+ years of MMO gaming.
What you describe isn't a mod/parser problem, anyway. It's a problem with certain people.

[Taban]

Me I take my time, I don't rush content, I am working on novas shield and sword, I am know my job and I am patient, I do everything by DF and even if I lose I don't whine about it.

But rest assured I die last, I used to solo on FFXI so it's not a big deal to me and compared to here FFXI your max hp is low and FFXI much tougher stuff.

But I am patient like I said not one for rushing content, It is not a race to me, I have fun.

The tank dying last isn't usually a good thing....

[HeroSamson]

The tank dying last isn't usually a good thing....

I use dragoon also, its the secondary, I have no choice, I really wanted dark knight.

though rogue is coming and it's something like a thief what I used in FFXI so that's what i'll do.

Too bad rune fencer isn't one of the jobs, though probably won't be the same as FFXI's rune fencer when it does come out.

[ispano]

The tank dying last isn't usually a good thing....

Indeed. The tank dying last is usually one of two things. Either ALL the healers and DD died to things they shouldn't die to. OR the tank(s) didn't do their job.

[Exstal]

Same for you. You need great players and to help you achieve your goal, because you just ain't good enough to beat a dungeon with the setup you were presented with. So you parser out the weak players, then try to find better players to achieve what you want. It ain't you that is good, its the players you swap out for.

like I said you guys are the poser great players, the good players don't need that crap, they can carry people who don't know what they are doing they take time and work with them. and those very same good players carry you parser users.

This is wrong because people aren't in business to carry others. So this argument falls flat on its face.

Parse well and constantly die to mechanics? Poor player
Parse poorly but never die to mechanics? Trainable to be a good player
Parse well and rarely die to mechanics? Good player

[radius0]

No, it was designed to help them pass the DPS checks and SOME mechanics. Some other mechanics however cannot be helped by Echo, sorta thankful for that as well. I see it as SE doing it this slowly, in hopes that people who really want the win will try to do better instead of just waiting for the nerf bat. But of course, that doesn't happen.

Echo was designed to benefit all players since these fights can be won without the echo (whether it's by giving them higher HP to suck up a plume they can't dodge or give them that extra DPS boost they can't currently achieve with their bad rotations). My point was that SE may be thinking about the general wellfare of every player in this game, which would be one of the reasons why it doesn't want parsers to be used. Parsers may encourage stigma for the 'bad' players, thereby making it impossible for these bad players to improve since no one wants to play with him/her. However, if that's their mentality on this issue, I think it's too far stretched to bite into. Yea, there are elitests. Yea, there are those jerks who will kick ppl out of party based on parsers results, telling everyone they know how much they suck (something I've seen firsthand; a few of my friends stil remain 'blacklisted' due to poor performance). However... this scenario is not typical, tbh. For every elistest misuing parsers there are like 10 people using it to identity and help their dps improve. Not to ridicule them. But to make them better and more kick-ass. I don't think SE gives our game community enough credit on how people use this tool.

[OPneedNerfs]

Ban all endgame raiders.

[ispano]

Echo was designed to benefit all players since these fights can be won without the echo (whether it's by giving them higher HP to suck up a plume they can't dodge or give them that extra DPS boost they can't currently achieve with their bad rotations). My point was that SE may be thinking about the general wellfare of every player in this game, which would be one of the reasons why it doesn't want parsers to be used. Parsers may encourage stigma for the 'bad' players, thereby making it impossible for these bad players to improve since no one wants to play with him/her. However, if that's their mentality on this issue, I think it's too far stretched to bite into. Yea, there are elitests. Yea, there are those jerks who will kick ppl out of party based on parsers results, telling everyone they know how much they suck (something I've seen firsthand; a few of my friends stil remain 'blacklisted' due to poor performance). However... this scenario is not typical, tbh. For every elistest misuing parsers there are like 10 people using it to identity and help their dps improve. Not to ridicule them. But to make them better and more kick-ass. I don't think SE gives our game community enough credit on how people use this tool.

Lemme rephrase. I see it as something like this. SE: "If you can't clear it now, you can either work on your gameplay and improve and try to down it, or you can wait as we gradually implement Echo and/or gradually nerf the content" Because that's really all it is. Of course they don't actually say it. Nerfing it too quickly too soon, and there's a group in the middle who will just wait instead of trying. Take too long and a different group just gets bored because they choose not to improve.

Also, I think it's more that certain people in the playerbase don't give the rest of the playerbase enough credit on how they use such a tool.

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Well, you're not going to like it much when addons finally come around then. Your choice however.

So that makes cheating totally ok? Would driving a Marathon be ok then because it's more efficient?

Wow, horrible comparison. It's more like using a stopwatch instead of timing yourself by counting "one mississippi, two mississipi..."

[radius0]

Also, I think it's more that certain people in the playerbase don't give the rest of the playerbase enough credit on how they use such a tool.

Good point there! And your statement here definitely accounts for the division present here in the forums, with those pro and against parsers. It's a sensitive topic and yet, relevant because SE isn't currently doing a good job at telling individual players how they are performing in fights. We all want to be good players. And whether some of us can accept critiques or not, it would be nice to know how we are performing. If SE is opposed to parsers, then maybe they could implement a 'results' page, where players can individually see their own DPS at the end of, say, a dungeon or boss fight. Then they can use that number to improve on the next time they que. Even if they may still be lacking, at least players will get some clue of where they stand in fights and aim to improve on those numbers.