SE's most difinitive statement yet on parsers

[ElHeggunte]

I can understand why people would be against a radar, but I never understood the obsession with hating on parsers. The only thing it does is read numbers off of your combat log in real time and displays them in a way that's easy to understand. You could do the same thing with a pen and paper if you sat there and scrolled through your combat log for an hour, the program just expedites the process. Otherwise, parsers don't typically display any information that wasn't already available.

Every time someone is adamant in their stance against parsers I always imagine someone who's bitter about being kicked from a party because someone else parsed them and said they were underperforming. Parsers are useful. A few jerkasses using it in ways you might not like doesn't make the program itself bad and is no good reason to take it from everyone else.

I don't personally use them (because I'm lazy), but more power to someone who wants to make regular use of them.

[KahnyaRedx]

I can understand why people would be against a radar, but I never understood the obsession with hating on parsers.

People don't want other people to know they are bad, derp, can't perform a simple rotation, or slacking. Simple as that. The issue with catching someone using a parser is since it reads from memory, it's local to a user's computer. It may also parse log files, also local to the user's computer. The only way to catch this type of reading is illegally gaining access to the system and monitoring for it. Which mind you I said is illegal, and in my honest opinion, if it's on my computer, it's mine. They could have done all the counting on their own servers, but to save CPU and Memory, they chose to give it to the user's systems.

Or you could always just look at the enmity bar to determine who's pushing the most dps, do a screenshot and pixel count. Go old school on it!.

[DoubleT]

The only way to catch this type of reading is illegally gaining access to the system and monitoring for it. Which mind you I said is illega

That's not exactly true. If SE were to put in a program that monitored what was going on in the background of your PC, they would just change the ToS an make you re-agree to it before being allowed to play, there-for legalizing anything they do. Diablo 3
makes you agree to the ToS again almost every single time there is an update, because they would make some sort of small change to the ToS, thus making it a new contract that you have to sign.

[Taban]

That's not exactly true. If SE were to put in a program that monitored what was going on in the background of your PC, they would just change the ToS an make you re-agree to it before being allowed to play, there-for legalizing anything they do. Diablo 3
makes you agree to the ToS again almost every single time there is an update, because they would make some sort of small change to the ToS, thus making it a new contract that you have to sign.

The EULA doesn't trump privacy law, just because they put it in the EULA doesn't mean they can do whatever they want to your PC. This was already gone over in a lawsuit with blizzard years ago, their Warden program used to do a much more invasive scan of your PC than it currently does, but Blizzard lost a lawsuit and now are only allowed to scan very specific things.

[Mogi]

People don't want other people to know they are bad, derp, can't perform a simple rotation, or slacking. Simple as that. The issue with catching someone using a parser is since it reads from memory, it's local to a user's computer. It may also parse log files, also local to the user's computer. The only way to catch this type of reading is illegally gaining access to the system and monitoring for it. Which mind you I said is illegal, and in my honest opinion, if it's on my computer, it's mine. They could have done all the counting on their own servers, but to save CPU and Memory, they chose to give it to the user's systems.

Or you could always just look at the enmity bar to determine who's pushing the most dps, do a screenshot and pixel count. Go old school on it!.

Sounds to me some ppl have to much time on there hands :P dose it matter who is doing the most?

[Sapphic]

Or you could always just look at the enmity bar to determine who's pushing the most dps, do a screenshot and pixel count. Go old school on it!.

http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Quelling_Strikes

Doesn't work. Also pets have a hidden enmity bar, so wouldn't work for SMN either as pets contribute a significant part of SMNs DPS. So BLM + BRD have quelling strikes, SMN has unregistered pet, just leaves MNK and DRG.

[Elven]

Every time someone is adamant in their stance against parsers I always imagine someone who's bitter about being kicked from a party because someone else parsed them and said they were underperforming. Parsers are useful. A few jerkasses using it in ways you might not like doesn't make the program itself bad and is no good reason to take it from everyone else.

I don't personally use them (because I'm lazy), but more power to someone who wants to make regular use of them.

That's the whole point not wanting parsers, low dps last I checked wasn't against the rules people are so anal and prissy about it. However not talking about bad players that's a whole other issue they will always have problems even if their dps was fine but couldn't stay alive long enough to be of any use.

[KahnyaRedx]

That's the whole point not wanting parsers, low dps last I checked wasn't against the rules people are so anal and prissy about it. However not talking about bad players that's a whole other issue they will always have problems even if their dps was fine but couldn't stay alive long enough to be of any use.

In a game with DPS checks, it's important to know you are producing enough DPS. So, if you don't want parsers to be relevant, SE will need to remove any and all DPS checks within the game. Problem Solved?

As a quick note, if someone is "reported" to have low dps, I only ask questions, I attempt to help them up that dps. Some may be, for lack of a better word, mean about it. But not everyone, some people want to help. How can I help this person increase their DPS? Maybe they aren't using the right food, maybe the wrong rotation, or blowing their cool downs improperly, and they have no idea.

[Elven]

In a game with DPS checks, it's important to know you are producing enough DPS. So, if you don't want parsers to be relevant, SE will need to remove any and all DPS checks within the game. Problem Solved?

That's not what I said, A dragoon can give killer dps regardless of your skill same with a monk no parser needed but what happens in turn 5 and they keep dying will the parser tell you that one too? Inside an FC practicing no problem but then logic dictates you don't need to use this on pugs if you're using it to train in house right?

[Asael]

That's the whole point not wanting parsers, low dps last I checked wasn't against the rules people are so anal and prissy about it. However not talking about bad players that's a whole other issue they will always have problems even if their dps was fine but couldn't stay alive long enough to be of any use.

Yeah, because if parsers were to all mysteriously disappear tomorrow that would fix your issue.

Besides, you don't need parsers to know someone's dps is slacking as simple observation can do that, and then those same anal prissy people will still tell you that your dps sucks.

Anyways, you can make the argument that low dps isn't against the rules (and you're right) but it's also not against the rules for them to not want to raid with you if they believe you will hold them back.