SE's most difinitive statement yet on parsers

[Elven]

Of course, you should not use a third-party parser. It's against the TOS.

You know what annoys me more? It's my unfair view of summoners and how I think they have the lowest dps and that they're entirely situational. I main a Bard and they can literally do everything it comes with a high cost and that is they're instant hate magnets no tank can touch. But I've come to accept that about my chosen class but back to smn imagine if I was a parser user with that mindset you can see now why I personally don't like them.

[Danbo05]

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You're clearly playing summoner wrong then or don't understand how Summoners work, because Summoners can easily put out the most DPS in most situations, although its really close between Monk and Summoner, with Dragoon not too far behind. Only time Monks would deal more DPS than Summoners are in fights where the boss is a striking dummy (see turn 8), other than that, they're tied with Dragoons in situations where they constantly lose their stacks. If you're using the enmity bar to judge DPS, please keep in mind, around a 1/3 of a Summoner's enmity is coming from their pet. Also, Bards do the least amount of DPS. Burst DPS wise, they may be up there, but as a fight progresses and a Monk and Dragoon finishes their rotation, Bard falls to last on the DPS chart (this is assuming the party consists of people who are equally geared and equally skilled).

[Renault]

You need parsers for a game that requires any sort of tight dps check.
Because you need data.
Because you need to maximize dps.
GW2 for example, did not need a parser.
This game does.

K.

[Amberyl]

It's similar to how, say, PSO2 says "No American players" in their TOS, but you can relatively freely and safely play in American server communities and pretty freely speak English as long as you aren't disrupting or abusive to the JP players. It's a quick corporate way to remove troublesome folks with minimal due process.

Not true at all. The only reason they don't enforce the ban as strictly now, is because PSO2 is a FTP game and the majority of western players connect via VPN, so can't be easily ip blocked. It was heavily enforced during earlier stages of the game, when the western portal was still on the cards, and the out-of-TOS population was smaller. It's also the reason you can't buy Arks Cash with western credit cards.

Not a relevant comparison at all.

[Krr]

Not true at all. The only reason they don't enforce the ban as strictly now, is because PSO2 is a FTP game and the majority of western players connect via VPN, so can't be easily ip blocked. It was heavily enforced during earlier stages of the game, when the western portal was still on the cards, and the out-of-TOS population was smaller. It's also the reason you can't buy Arks Cash with western credit cards.

Not a relevant comparison at all.

Fact check: The majority of western players only connect via VPN due to a routing error on Yahoo.jp's part after a subnet mask configuration change, which was two months ago. Before that, it was trivial and safe for at least a year to connect with a western IP that could be seen with the naked eye. Sega has also officially announced, several times, that they have no intent to do an IP block, even though they easily did so on contract with the company running the SEA version with most of that region. And, basically every SEA player has noted that most VPNs are totally unviable to use now due to the blocking scheme, which just results in them having shoddy connections that are unplayable.

It is also extremely trivial, if somewhat slow, forforeign players to acquire arks cash now. If Sega didn't want them doing it, the services they use - which are in most cases blatantly fraudulent - would no longer be accepted. Period.

Whatever Sega did during the beta stages of the game is irrelevant to how that clause of the ToS is treated now, which is identical to how Square has treated the ToS with regards to parsing: something they can't enforce or don't want to invest in the tools to enforce due to the risk it poses to their business. Likewise, in both situations the 'threat' (NA players, parsers) has been proven to have minimal impact on the community as long as the particularly inappropriate ones are removed.

The comparison is relevant. Things that happened two years or more ago are not.

(PS. Only an American could say something as conceited as 'No American players.' The TOS states no gaijin. There are more countries in the world outside of Japan than just America.)

Only someone who's on shaky ground with their statements grasps at semantics. Dig? The statement remains relevant whether or not the ToS clause bans all foreigners or just the NA. They're 'enforcing' a specific clause in a way that doesn't reflect the clause by the letter.

[Appleh4x]

Just because they are against the ToS does not mean they are cheating

You sure had a different tune in the hunt resetting thread.

[MicahZerrshia]

I played ffxi for 8 years and never once used any 3rd pt programs and it didn't effect my gameplay in the least. I would run all kinds of events with ppl who used so many illegal add-ons it was ridiculous and not only did it not make me less effective, I could sometimes run circles around them.

Its more about player skill. Who needs to use a crutch and who does not. Parsers Im ok with simply because it allows you to LEARN how to play your class better without hrs of scrolling thru a chat log and adding up numbers. But other stuff is just lazy gaming imo and should be bannable.

That being said, its usually safer to flat ban them all so close any loop holes and allows SE to put their time and money into things that are really important, like content. So I can understand their position on the subject.

[RaineMagus]

That being said, its usually safer to flat ban them all so close any loop holes and allows SE to put their time and money into things that are really important, like content. So I can understand their position on the subject.

I suspect their reasoning is for a combination of different factors, and not just "fairness" as people keep arguing.



A commonly overlooked one is that it really doesn't matter if it's a cheat-tool or not, as these tools come from a source other than SquareEnix... Which may not be reputable, put the security of their customers in jeopardy, and which they certainly have no control over.

This is simply put, something that NO COMPANY is going to endorse for the repercussions that come with it (such as dealing with inevitably hijacked-accounts, etc). The only way to protect their players, imo, is for it to be discouraged / aka, made illegal.

[Parodine]

If people want to run parsers, it doesn't bother me. I've never run one between FFXI and now though. I don't think it gives them an advantage really, and Yoshi sees where they're coming from...but it is against the ToS. So don't get caught guys. Don't mouth off about it chat, don't say you use it, nothing.

Hunt radar - on the other hand - I hope every one of those people get banned. That is terrible, truly.

[Amberyl]

Parsing is a basic function that's existed and been required at high level play since this genre has existed. If it isn't intended then it's broken and users will fix it like they always have.

There is no 'fixing' a design brief that you're not privy to. Unless you're sat around the table, helping to decide what goes in and what doesn't, you have no place attempting to infer truth in either direction. Until the UI SDK is released with an appropriate EULA to govern how it is used, no player has the right to alter someone else's hard work. To do so, to add features you personally consider a 'requirement,' smacks of little more than a serious dose of self-entitlement and way too much ego. If the team decides not to add a feature, and that's game breaking to you, go and write your own MMO.