SE's most difinitive statement yet on parsers

[MeiUshu]

so what ? you learn as you go, parsers in this case will just be a luxury to allow people that play to reach a certain point fastser without putting fowards a *progressive* effort which goes through an *apprenticeship* of sort of your own limits and your own improvements. Parsers will allow you to point fingers, get rid of so called not up to paar people (dont say is not the case it is), vs having to grow with your group. It isnt important the zillions of damage you have to do in what limited span of time, you will know if you succeed or fail, if you fail, wasnt enough if you succeed was enough, who is low or not isnt the problem. If you want truely to find out who is low and who is not go on a dummy which can be assimilated to a modern third party tool or parser (spread allover the place) and hit them with the combos and the like in turn and check there your respective dps not as accurate as a computer but still a good tool..old style fashion type....you have there a antique tool that works fine would I say. But of course, it requires cohesion and teamwork and time .... time that an T9 should require invested into without using *cheats of sort* (cant find another word to define it) ohh wait all have their schedule and hunt times, so nahh not going to happen right ?...so lets use the parser !

besides, how were you going about before parsers were so much easy to use ? no?

See my point?...they arent a necessity, they are not required, they are just there to be a nuisance to players that just want to enjoy the game and not be harrassed by immature childish and overall uneducated people that are so obnubilated by the game that all matters is to be THE one that reaches t he end and can then go around pouffing chests ....I think this community should really requestion itself.

Just me though

Mei

[Appleh4x]

so what ? you learn as you go, parsers in this case will just be a luxury to allow people that play to reach a certain point fastser without putting fowards a *progressive* effort which goes through an *apprenticeship* of sort of your own limits and your own improvements. Parsers will allow you to point fingers, get rid of so called not up to paar people (dont say is not the case it is), vs having to grow with your group. It isnt important the zillions of damage you have to do in what limited span of time, you will know if you succeed or fail, if you fail, wasnt enough if you succeed was enough, who is low or not isnt the problem. If you want truely to find out who is low and who is not go on a dummy which can be assimilated to a modern third party tool or parser (spread allover the place) and hit them with the combos and the like in turn and check there your respective dps not as accurate as a computer but still a good tool..old style fashion type....you have there a antique tool that works fine would I say. But of course, it requires cohesion and teamwork and time .... time that an T9 should require invested into without using *cheats of sort* (cant find another word to define it) ohh wait all have their schedule and hunt times, so nahh not going to happen right ?...so lets use the parser !

besides, how were you going about before parsers were so much easy to use ? no?

See my point?...they arent a necessity, they are not required, they are just there to be a nuisance to players that just want to enjoy the game and not be harrassed by immature childish and overall uneducated people that are so obnubilated by the game that all matters is to be THE one that reaches t he end and can then go around pouffing chests ....I think this community should really requestion itself.

Just me though

Mei

The issue is that you have a totally misguided view on parsers. My static group has never kicked anyone for low DPS, we work with each other to figure out how to maximize damage all around and beat the checks. The parser just gives data on potential problems and so that we players can correct them. It also gives you information like how many times you miss so you know if you need more accuracy, can tell you how often you mitigate for tanks, how much overhealing is done by healers, etc. It's a tool that is helpful in fine tuning your team to overcome poorly implemented fights. I'm not saying I use a parser, but I am saying that they benefit raid teams in a completely non dramatic way when used correctly and without malice (how they were intended.)

[Elven]

The issue is that you have a totally misguided view on parsers. My static group has never kicked anyone for low DPS, we work with each other to figure out how to maximize damage all around and beat the checks. The parser just gives data on potential problems and so that we players can correct them.

I was wondering all day about parsing different bosses and how each may take damage differently. It's as good as a shortcut which is basically cheating. But if parsers are not used that way to systematically Vito the whole experience then disregard this post.

[Appleh4x]

I was wondering all day about parsing different bosses and how each may take damage differently. It's as good as a shortcut which is basically cheating. But if parsers are not used that way to systematically Vito the whole experience then disregard this post.

I have no clue what you're talking about in regards to "take damage differently." Parsing isn't a shortcut or cheating, it's like looking at an excel sheet that shows how much damage you did

[Elven]

I have no clue what you're talking about in regards to "take damage differently." Parsing isn't a shortcut or cheating, it's like looking at an excel sheet that shows how much damage you did

Well then the question is once you learned maximum output by using a parser and get your rotations down why would you need to keep using it on the next boss and so on if it didn't give you any extra advantage with damage calculations?

[MeiUshu]

we will agree to disagree...simply because you only see the usefulness of the tool, which I said is not that useful as we have everything in-game to do that, even if not perfect, and you refuse to see the abuse of the tool which by far overcome the usefulness simply because that tool in the hands of game-addicts, end-content addicts,e-peen complex affected and the like, is not used as it should.....and why is forbidden on top of using info that shouldnt be of public use (so to speak). Aslo, who gives you the right to point fingers towards someone that may not want everyone to know he has that poor of a DPS or maybe he knows it without your intervention ? see? you arrogate yoruself a right that is not yours to have, unless asked for it. The use of parsers infringe the privacy rights that everybody is entitled to and when you need to go and dig info outside of what you see on teh screen you do infringe that limit....(i exagerate a little but yeah is not that far of I think)

I am glad for one that such use will be sanctioned...people that want to use it by all means do it but if you are caught well dont complain ...

Mei

[Appleh4x]

we will agree to disagree...simply because you only see the usefulness of the tool, which I said is not that useful as we have everything in-game to do that, even if not perfect, and you refuse to see the abuse of the tool which by far overcome the usefulness simply because that tool in the hands of game-addicts, end-content addicts,e-peen complex affected and the like, is not used as it should.....and why is forbidden on top of using info that shouldnt be of public use (so to speak). Aslo, who gives you the right to point fingers towards someone that may not want everyone to know he has that poor of a DPS or maybe he knows it without your intervention ? see? you arrogate yoruself a right that is not yours to have, unless asked for it. The use of parsers infringe the privacy rights that everybody is entitled to and when you need to go and dig info outside of what you see on teh screen you do infringe that limit....(i exagerate a little but yeah is not that far of I think)

I am glad for one that such use will be sanctioned...people that want to use it by all means do it but if you are caught well dont complain ...

Mei

I don't understand most of this paragraph but I can agree with the first sentence.

[Tiggy]

we will agree to disagree...simply because you only see the usefulness of the tool, which I said is not that useful as we have everything in-game to do that, even if not perfect, and you refuse to see the abuse of the tool which by far overcome the usefulness simply because that tool in the hands of game-addicts, end-content addicts,e-peen complex affected and the like, is not used as it should.....and why is forbidden on top of using info that shouldnt be of public use (so to speak). Aslo, who gives you the right to point fingers towards someone that may not want everyone to know he has that poor of a DPS or maybe he knows it without your intervention ? see? you arrogate yoruself a right that is not yours to have, unless asked for it. The use of parsers infringe the privacy rights that everybody is entitled to and when you need to go and dig info outside of what you see on teh screen you do infringe that limit....(i exagerate a little but yeah is not that far of I think)

I am glad for one that such use will be sanctioned...people that want to use it by all means do it but if you are caught well dont complain ...

Mei

In the same vein you seem to only see the negatives. I wonder how many people do you know that use parsers and you have no idea. They've never once gloated, desparaged, or done anything with that knowledge other than self improvement. Then you come here and talk about all the negatives while not having any idea how many people aren't affecting you despite using those tools.

You're making broad assumptions. You're glass is half full and contains only negatives. Then you seem to think that if people do it its ok unless they get caught which treats ps3/ps4 users like second class citizens since they don't have access to such tools.

TLDR. Acting like only bad things come of these tools is just as ignorant as thinking nothing but bad comes from them. The reality is somewhere in between.

Well then the question is once you learned maximum output by using a parser and get your rotations down why would you need to keep using it on the next boss and so on if it didn't give you any extra advantage with damage calculations?

Because it does add extra advantages. Dummies are static with no movement or damage you must avoid so in the end you only learn what your maximum potential is. They don't include phases where the monster jumps around the map making him impossible to hit for a time. Knowing how well you've applied your maximum potential against any given fight is an entirely different matter and that's where parsers are helpful. Feeling like you did well and knowing you did well on a certain phase are 2 very different things. I can feel like I did a good job but then when I see the numbers I realize I did terrible and there is a lot of room to improve.

[Doki]

I never used any mods in FFXI and I had every job at 99, cleared pretty much all content and never had any issues. I've never used any mods in FFXIV, have everything at level 50 with good gear, and I've cleared everything except T9. All the Quality of Life mods are BS. IMHO mods are a crutch for people that can't handle difficult content, or to stroke their own e-peen and make others feel bad.

On the bright side, at least we haven't experienced Phantasy Star Online/Universe levels of hacks yet.

[Exstal]

All the Quality of Life mods are BS. IMHO mods are a crutch for people that can't handle difficult content, or to stroke their own e-peen and make others feel bad.

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