SE's most difinitive statement yet on parsers

[Buff_Archer]

If SE could at least give players a way to see their own DPS numbers (like at a special training dummy) this would be of benefit to everyone who wished to maximize how effective their rotations are. I know I'm far from the first to suggest it, but there's been no explicable indication why SE won't give us something like this to help put those of us on PS4/3 on equal footing with PC players from the standpoint of being able to know how personally effective we are. When I started out I read all sorts of guides to be as effective as possible, much to my detriment it turned out as I was using those godawful DPS-killing bard macros recommended all over the place that use don't interweave GCD vs off GCD skills and add needless wait time all over the place. It made my DPS mediocre at end game, and the only advice I got was stuff I was already doing and I couldn't figure out why when others added 1+1 they got 2, and when I did I got 1.5, metaphorically speaking and it was frustrating as hell. Someone (to whom I'll always be grateful but will forever go unnamed) spent a good 45 min to an hour working on my rotation with me at training dummies in Gridania, and a lot of it came down to reeducation and me unlearning an approach I'd been conditioned to follow since I started and learning a brand new one. But without access to info re: DPS we wouldn't have known whether that made much of a difference or not. In fact, my DPS increased 30% when comparing the numbers from me going at the training dummies a few min under the old rotation, and doing it again after improvements were made. That's kind of a big deal. Sure, I mentioned at the start was that SE should at least let us see our own numbers, and then my example is from someone else helping me- but until then I had no way to gauge these numbers myself, and players willing to invest that much effort into helping others are not that easy to come by (and they can't help everybody). An in game DPS meter wouldn't have told me how to be more effective in the same sense as this other player, but being able to benchmark myself earlier on would have been nice.

And now that I think of it, why do we even have training dummies but no in game DPS meter, that's like having a car with no speedometer.

[Gormogon]

And now that I think of it, why do we even have training dummies but no in game DPS meter, that's like having a car with no speedometer.

You can actually see the kind of damage your auto-attacks, dots, and abilities do w/o buffs. You can numbers crunch from there.

[Assirra]

You can actually see the kind of damage your auto-attacks, dots, and abilities do w/o buffs. You can numbers crunch from there.

Sorry but i am no cpu that can "crunch numbers" like that on the fly.

[Appleh4x]

You can actually see the kind of damage your auto-attacks, dots, and abilities do w/o buffs. You can numbers crunch from there.

The game doesn't inherently give you any way of telling how much damage your DoT effects do. If you used a parser you would be able to tell though. Why are you even commenting in this thread trying to say content doesn't need it when you don't even do high end content to know whether or not it would be needed? You haven't even beat T6 but you claim to know that people don't need to parse for savage T9? You're basically being an armchair quarterback for a game you have no actual knowledge of (the game being relevant endgame raids.)

[SongJoohee]

The game doesn't inherently give you any way of telling how much damage your DoT effects do. If you used a parser you would be able to tell though.

This is actually false, all parsers currently have no way of getting DOT damage and instead calculate an estimate, this is the reason people get slightly different results in parses for the same encounter.

[Appleh4x]

This is actually false, all parsers currently have no way of getting DOT damage and instead calculate an estimate, this is the reason people get different results in parses for the same encounter.

The parser with FFXIV in the name simulates DoTs the one that is three letters actually gets the damage from in game memory. Anyone serious about parsing uses the latter, people only use the former for plugins like that crap radar

[MeiUshu]

The game doesn't inherently give you any way of telling how much damage your DoT effects do. If you used a parser you would be able to tell though. Why are you even commenting in this thread trying to say content doesn't need it when you don't even do high end content to know whether or not it would be needed? You haven't even beat T6 but you claim to know that people don't need to parse for savage T9? You're basically being an armchair quarterback for a game you have no actual knowledge of (the game being relevant endgame raids.)

If you can kill a mob fast enough not to wipe, that means DPS is enough, whether some are lower then others isnt important is it not? in a group the collective is important not the individual. One stronger will compensate a weaker, if all are weak it is a fail, and all will know and if you make it well it means that COLLECTIVELY your DPS was enough for it..the one weaker will sooner or later find out if his or her dps is low or not. No need for parsers for it, right ?

The end of the story is...beyond all you say is forbidden, ify ou want to use it and are caught using it and banned dont complain...saying parsers are necessary ..sorry they are not.

Mei

[Appleh4x]

If you can kill a mob fast enough not to wipe, that means DPS is enough, whether some are lower then others isnt important is it not? in a group the collective is important not the individual. One stronger will compensate a weaker, if all are weak it is a fail, and all will know and if you make it well it means that COLLECTIVELY your DPS was enough for it..the one weaker will sooner or later find out if his or her dps is low or not. No need for parsers for it, right ?

The end of the story is...beyond all you say is forbidden, ify ou want to use it and are caught using it and banned dont complain...saying parsers are necessary ..sorry they are not.

Mei

Therein lies the problem though. In fights like T8 you have a limited amount of time to do a millionish damage to the raid boss so every DD needs to do at least a certain amount of DPS to not be killed by the enrage timer.

[Felis]

And now that I think of it, why do we even have training dummies but no in game DPS meter, that's like having a car with no speedometer.

However, I understand the desire to know how much damage you are outputting, and while it will take some time, we’ve been discussing making it so striking dummies measure DPS as well as whether we can add a training activity for new players where you’ll have to deal a certain amount of damage within a certain time. This is how we've decided to address an official DPS meter.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...806-04-2014%29

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Maybe you should edit it before someone report it.
Praising a not allowed tool and so.

[Tiggy]

Gorgomon trolling another parsing thread when he has zero idea what end game is actually like? Not surprised, It's like I've seen half a dozen threads where he does this.

In each thread it's the same thing. Fight's are just mechanics so it's not that hard and you don't need ridiculous dps! Despite the fact that anyone actually doing end game knows how incorrect such a statement is instantaneously. Seriously guys, stop feeding the troll.