Party member withdrawal spam needs to stop

[Majestic117]

[9:14 a.m.]A party member has withdrawn from the duty.
Finding new member.
[9:14 a.m.]A party member has withdrawn from the duty.
Finding new member.
[9:14 a.m.]A party member has withdrawn from the duty.
Finding new member.
[9:14 a.m.]A party member has withdrawn from the duty.
Finding new member.
[9:14 a.m.]A party member has withdrawn from the duty.
Finding new member.
[9:14 a.m.]A party member has withdrawn from the duty.
Finding new member.
[9:14 a.m.]A party member has withdrawn from the duty.
Finding new member.
[9:14 a.m.]A party member has withdrawn from the duty.
Finding new member.
[9:14 a.m.]A party member has withdrawn from the duty.
Finding new member.

and so on


Something needs to be done with people who purposely withdraw from the duty to troll. Maybe implement a penalty for withdrawing 3 times in a short period of time because this is getting extremely annoying. Yesterday, there were about 34 withdrawals within like 2-3 minutes.

[Xandim]

Troll withdrawing is far less common then genuine / innocent withdraws. IMO it could bring more harm then good or more work to the GM that could be spent elsewhere.

[HEC-]

This has been discussed to dead in dozens of threads in this very forum ...

Troll withdrawing is far less common then genuine / innocent withdraws.

34 Withradws in a row is definitelly not "innocent". Those are simply selfish basteward players fishing for easy in progress dungeons (mainly tanks and healers) to "save" their precious time on DRs! And I fully agree that penalty system should be introduced for the consequent withdrawals:

1st: 1 minute.
2nd: 5 minutes
3rd: 20 minutes
4th: 60 minutes
5th: 2 hours
and so on.

And - before all the defenders of "genuine" (multiply!) withdrawals flods in - no - it's not the same as if you've not joined the DR / DF at all as you're wasting everybody's else time by the stream of constant duty pop-ups hence prohibiting them from any other in game or IRL activity. If you have IRL (or in game) reason to decline first (and even second) penalty is so low that it would not affect you anyway (and if you're busy you shouldn't re-queue right away, right?). And if you're low life looking for cheap score - well then you've been dealt with. In the previous threads all the "defenders" were trying to provide various (fake / unrealistic) reasons why the penalty system would harm the genuine players but I'm still to see single reall one.

[Kayo]

This has been discussed to dead in dozens of threads in this very forum ...



34 Withradws in a row is definitelly not "innocent". Those are simply selfish basteward players fishing for easy in progress dungeons (mainly tanks and healers) to "save" their precious time on DRs! And I fully agree that penalty system should be introduced for the consequent withdrawals:

1st: 1 minute.
2nd: 5 minutes
3rd: 20 minutes
4th: 60 minutes
5th: 2 hours
and so on.

Your time table scales a bit too fast but I like the idea. Withdrawing should give a penalty. Once or twice ... I can understand. I myself have gone AFK on the exact time the DF finally pops up and missed it, specially as DD which can take over 30 minutes. However missing it more than once or twice is highly unlikely. 30+ times is just intentional and should be reprimanded. Not only does a penalty ensure OTHER tanks have a chance to get in front but it also makes sure these self-centered tools have to at least consider the fact they'd probably just be wasting more time by continuously dropping and waiting for the penalty than just sucking it up and contribute to society while getting their rewards.

(dammit Square, stop with the dam character limits already!!!)

[Kyana]

34 Withradws in a row is definitelly not "innocent". Those are simply selfish basteward players fishing for easy in progress dungeons (mainly tanks and healers) to "save" their precious time on DRs! And I fully agree that penalty system should be introduced for the consequent withdrawals:

1st: 1 minute.
2nd: 5 minutes
3rd: 20 minutes
4th: 60 minutes
5th: 2 hours
and so on.

I like this idea even though I'm a tank.

Just don't make the mistake of throwing all tanks and healers in the same pot.
I for my part hate ego-tanks more than anything else.
2nd are healers who don't heal, and on rank 3 triggerhappy BLM/SMN and MNK/DRG who don't care about their positional attacks, followed by BRD who don't use songs and can't dodge AoEs.

[Souljacker]

The only thing that will stop it is not showing the "in-progress" anymore. Take the option out and filter people into dungeons as spots are opened like every other game on the planet does. This is precisely the reason Blizzard took it back out when they thought it would be a good idea - people fishing to in-progress runs (and by people, I mean tanks) and withdrawing from fresh ones. Wanting to punish people for using a system is the wrong approach. Fixing the system is the correct approach.

[Kaisha]

The only thing that will stop it is not showing the "in-progress" anymore.

Or make in-progress tick check for in-progress runs only, so they can enjoy sitting there for 30min in queue with nothing popping up since 50 others on the server will be doing the same.

[Riviere]

Or make in-progress tick check for in-progress runs only, so they can enjoy sitting there for 30min in queue with nothing popping up since 50 others on the server will be doing the same.

This is exactly what I think. Why not just make it separate?

[Souljacker]

This is exactly what I think. Why not just make it separate?

It will cause more issues than it will solve. Once people realize that queue is no longer "insta" they will go right back to the main queue, leaving parties who need replacements out in the cold. No, this has been discussed to death years ago elsewhere and the solution was going back to filtering everyone into the randoms, randomly. The whole idea of "I want a random, but it has to match these conditions" defeats the entire purpose of a random queue.

It's going to take another year or so for SE to learn this valuable lesson, but mark my words, they WILL learn it eventually. The best solution is usually the one where neither side walks away entirely happy. I lose my in-progress fishing, you lose your "random but fresh" random queue.

[Riviere]

It will cause more issues than it will solve. Once people realize that queue is no longer "insta" they will go right back to the main queue, leaving parties who need replacements out in the cold. No, this has been discussed to death years ago elsewhere and the solution was going back to filtering everyone into the randoms, randomly. The whole idea of "I want a random, but it has to match these conditions" defeats the entire purpose of a random queue.

It's going to take another year or so for SE to learn this valuable lesson, but mark my words, they WILL learn it eventually. The best solution is usually the one where neither side walks away entirely happy. I lose my in-progress fishing, you lose your "random but fresh" random queue.

How will this cause more issues? If people can queue for in-progress only, they don't have to ruin new groups with their withdrawal spam.